Hypo/Diabetic

trish_5 · Joined: 26 Jul 2007 Posts: 15

I was just diagnosed with hypo/diabetic this past week.
I have not seen a specialist yet. So I am looking for answers.
Hopefully someone in here can tell me what to do.
I have done alot of reading on the web, and tried to follow
the diets that they suggest, but i keep crashing 4-5 times a day.
I have never gone above 180, but if i get down to 110 or lower
I feel shaky, like my legs are going to buckle, my eye sight
is real blurry. I do not have extreme thirst.
For breakfast this morning , I had a bagel with peanut butter,
banana, and cinnamon. 1/2 glass of 1% milk.
Within a 1/2 hr I was crashing why?

Thanks for any help.

Trish

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Julie Bove · Joined: 26 Jul 2007 Posts: 494

wrote in message @n2g2000hse.googlegroups.com...
>I was just diagnosed with hypo/diabetic this past week.
> I have not seen a specialist yet. So I am looking for answers.
> Hopefully someone in here can tell me what to do.
> I have done alot of reading on the web, and tried to follow
> the diets that they suggest, but i keep crashing 4-5 times a day.
> I have never gone above 180, but if i get down to 110 or lower
> I feel shaky, like my legs are going to buckle, my eye sight
> is real blurry. I do not have extreme thirst.
> For breakfast this morning , I had a bagel with peanut butter,
> banana, and cinnamon. 1/2 glass of 1% milk.
> Within a 1/2 hr I was crashing why?
>
> Thanks for any help.

First, there is no such thing as hypo/diabetic. Although a diabetic can
have a hypo. 110 is not a hypo. You can have symptoms of hypo if your BG
spikes very high and then crashes rapidly. Eating a breakfast with that
many carbs in it is bound to cause that to happen. You might get by with
1/2 of a bagel with peanut butter, but bagels are one of the worst forms of
bread for a diabetic. You'd be better off with whole grain bread. Bananas
are very high in carbs and so is milk.

You need to get a referral to a dietician who will explain to you the
different food groups. Carbs are what raise BG (blood glucose) the most.
There are carbs in everything you ate for breakfast, including the peanut
butter. In fact, many kinds of peanut butter contain added sugar!

Also, the body is the most insulin resistant in the morning so many of us
find we have to eat less carbs for breakfast than any other time of the day.
There is no way I could eat that meal you ate any time of day. My BG would
go through the roof. You'd be better off eating things like meat, eggs,
cheese, nuts, etc. for breakfast and perhaps a small amount of carbs.

At what points during the day do you test your BG? You should be testing at
2 hours after eating to see what your numbers are then.

Buz · Joined: 26 Jul 2007 Posts: 1

On Jul 15, 8:17 pm, "Julie Bove" wrote:
> wrote in message
>
> @n2g2000hse.googlegroups.com...
>
> >I was just diagnosed with hypo/diabetic this past week.
> > I have not seen a specialist yet. So I am looking for answers.
> > Hopefully someone in here can tell me what to do.
> > I have done alot of reading on the web, and tried to follow
> > the diets that they suggest, but i keep crashing 4-5 times a day.
> > I have never gone above 180, but if i get down to 110 or lower
> > I feel shaky, like my legs are going to buckle, my eye sight
> > is real blurry. I do not have extreme thirst.
> > For breakfast this morning , I had a bagel with peanut butter,
> > banana, and cinnamon. 1/2 glass of 1% milk.
> > Within a 1/2 hr I was crashing why?
>
> > Thanks for any help.
>
> First, there is no such thing as hypo/diabetic. Although a diabetic can
> have a hypo. 110 is not a hypo. You can have symptoms of hypo if your BG
> spikes very high and then crashes rapidly. Eating a breakfast with that
> many carbs in it is bound to cause that to happen. You might get by with
> 1/2 of a bagel with peanut butter, but bagels are one of the worst forms of
> bread for a diabetic. You'd be better off with whole grain bread. Bananas
> are very high in carbs and so is milk.
>
> You need to get a referral to a dietician who will explain to you the
> different food groups. Carbs are what raise BG (blood glucose) the most.
> There are carbs in everything you ate for breakfast, including the peanut
> butter. In fact, many kinds of peanut butter contain added sugar!
>
> Also, the body is the most insulin resistant in the morning so many of us
> find we have to eat less carbs for breakfast than any other time of the day.
> There is no way I could eat that meal you ate any time of day. My BG would
> go through the roof. You'd be better off eating things like meat, eggs,
> cheese, nuts, etc. for breakfast and perhaps a small amount of carbs.
>
> At what points during the day do you test your BG? You should be testing at
> 2 hours after eating to see what your numbers are then.

Julie,

The earlier replies all pinpointed carbs as the most likely offenders
in your crashes. I agree. When I was following the ADA guidelines
for carb intake, I had roller-coaster numbers. Though I seldom had
hypoglycemic events, I did experience crashes. I now limit my carb
intake, especially at breakfast time, and seldom test above 140. As a
result, my doc has taken me off Glyburide and lowered my Metformin
intake. No insulin. My sister-in-law is a registered diabetes
educator and is insistant about following their guidelines. In my
case, and perhaps yours, it doesn't work. Don't lose hope. It sounds
as though you need some basic diabetes education, then experimentation
to discover what works best for you. You should also factor in daily
exercise. That will also change your numbers and overall wellbeing.
Good luck.

Buz

trish_5 · Joined: 26 Jul 2007 Posts: 15

On Jul 15, 9:27 pm, tris...@msn.com wrote:
> I was just diagnosed with hypo/diabetic this past week.
> I have not seen a specialist yet. So I am looking for answers.
> Hopefully someone in here can tell me what to do.
> I have done alot of reading on the web, and tried to follow
> the diets that they suggest, but i keep crashing 4-5 times a day.
> I have never gone above 180, but if i get down to 110 or lower
> I feel shaky, like my legs are going to buckle, my eye sight
> is real blurry. I do not have extreme thirst.
> For breakfast this morning , I had a bagel with peanut butter,
> banana, and cinnamon. 1/2 glass of 1% milk.
> Within a 1/2 hr I was crashing why?
>
> Thanks for any help.
>
> Trish

Thank you to all that responded, I did better today.
And I do have a appt on Thursday with a Diabetic specialist.

I woke up at 4 am BC was 121
8:30 still fasting with only coffee 111
9:30 I had asparagus, and chicken approx 1 cup my BC was 110
11:15 2 slices of 12 grain bread with peanut butter and 1/2 glass of
1% milk.
11:35 BC was 128 ,,,,12:15 BC was 130
2:15 117
Yogurt and cheese stick
2:45 BC 145
3:45 132
It is now 4;30 and I am having a lite dinner of grapes, oranges, with
chicken, sliced almonds, celery and
lite mayo.
So I did not feel the crash that I have been feeling for the last 2
weeks.
Besides exercise, is this basically how I should be eating?
Why is my vision so blurry?
My blood sugars range from 180-90.
My Dr says she can not put me on any medicine because my blood sugar
crashes so fast.
So when I said I was Hypo/Diabetic thats what I thought.
I will hopefully have more insight on this soon.
Thanks again.
Trish

trish_5 · Joined: 26 Jul 2007 Posts: 15

On Jul 16, 4:51 pm, Susan wrote:
> x-no-archive: yes
>
> tris...@msn.com wrote:
> > Thank you to all that responded, I did better today.
> > And I do have a appt on Thursday with a Diabetic specialist.
>
> > I woke up at 4 am BC was 121
> > 8:30 still fasting with only coffee 111
> > 9:30 I had asparagus, and chicken approx 1 cup my BC was 110
> > 11:15 2 slices of 12 grain bread with peanut butter and 1/2 glass of
> > 1% milk.
>
> This was extremely high carb. How about one slice of diet bread with
> some protein and no milk? Milk is high in fast sugars.
>
> > 11:35 BC was 128 ,,,,12:15 BC was 130
> > 2:15 117
> > Yogurt and cheese stick
> > 2:45 BC 145
> > 3:45 132
> > It is now 4;30 and I am having a lite dinner of grapes, oranges, with
> > chicken, sliced almonds, celery and
> > lite mayo.
> > So I did not feel the crash that I have been feeling for the last 2
> > weeks.
> > Besides exercise, is this basically how I should be eating?
> > Why is my vision so blurry?
>
> Your vision may be blurry as your cells adjust to less glucose than
> they're used to operating on. Or it may be because your bg is still too
> high for good health/functioning.
>
> > My blood sugars range from 180-90.
>
> This is way too high. See the references to levels at which damage
> occurs atwww.phlaunt.com/diabetes.
>
> > My Dr says she can not put me on any medicine because my blood sugar
> > crashes so fast.
> > So when I said I was Hypo/Diabetic thats what I thought.
> > I will hopefully have more insight on this soon.
> > Thanks again.
> > Trish
>
> Trish, I was severely hypoglycemic til I began low carbing. It takes a
> period of adjustment, even weeks, but the hypoglycemia has been gone for
> almost a decade now. I keep my bg under 120 at all times without meds,
> with low carbing. In my case, that means no starches, not regularly,
> just the occasional special occasion splurge on a dessert, followed by a
> walk.
>
> Susan

I better do some more reading, apparently I have gone about this all
wrong.
I though I was supose to have at least 50 carbs with every meal. And
more
if I felt shaky or my legs felt like they were going to buckle. It
does make
you feel better at the time.................So what you are telling me
is to ride
it out unless it dips below 70?
No carbs for breakfast and 30 or for all other meals? (approx)
No more peanut butter and jelly sandwiches to make me feel better
until morning.
I thought feeling better was the objective........damn I hate to sound
stupid,
but I really am clueless on this disease.

Thanks for the websites, I have looked at them and put them under my
fav's so
I can get more correct info.

Trish

Julie Bove · Joined: 26 Jul 2007 Posts: 494

wrote in message @22g2000hsm.googlegroups.com...
> On Jul 16, 4:51 pm, Susan wrote:
>> x-no-archive: yes
>>
>> tris...@msn.com wrote:
>> > Thank you to all that responded, I did better today.
>> > And I do have a appt on Thursday with a Diabetic specialist.
>>
>> > I woke up at 4 am BC was 121
>> > 8:30 still fasting with only coffee 111
>> > 9:30 I had asparagus, and chicken approx 1 cup my BC was 110
>> > 11:15 2 slices of 12 grain bread with peanut butter and 1/2 glass of
>> > 1% milk.
>>
>> This was extremely high carb. How about one slice of diet bread with
>> some protein and no milk? Milk is high in fast sugars.
>>
>> > 11:35 BC was 128 ,,,,12:15 BC was 130
>> > 2:15 117
>> > Yogurt and cheese stick
>> > 2:45 BC 145
>> > 3:45 132
>> > It is now 4;30 and I am having a lite dinner of grapes, oranges, with
>> > chicken, sliced almonds, celery and
>> > lite mayo.
>> > So I did not feel the crash that I have been feeling for the last 2
>> > weeks.
>> > Besides exercise, is this basically how I should be eating?
>> > Why is my vision so blurry?
>>
>> Your vision may be blurry as your cells adjust to less glucose than
>> they're used to operating on. Or it may be because your bg is still too
>> high for good health/functioning.
>>
>> > My blood sugars range from 180-90.
>>
>> This is way too high. See the references to levels at which damage
>> occurs atwww.phlaunt.com/diabetes.
>>
>> > My Dr says she can not put me on any medicine because my blood sugar
>> > crashes so fast.
>> > So when I said I was Hypo/Diabetic thats what I thought.
>> > I will hopefully have more insight on this soon.
>> > Thanks again.
>> > Trish
>>
>> Trish, I was severely hypoglycemic til I began low carbing. It takes a
>> period of adjustment, even weeks, but the hypoglycemia has been gone for
>> almost a decade now. I keep my bg under 120 at all times without meds,
>> with low carbing. In my case, that means no starches, not regularly,
>> just the occasional special occasion splurge on a dessert, followed by a
>> walk.
>>
>> Susan
>
> I better do some more reading, apparently I have gone about this all
> wrong.
> I though I was supose to have at least 50 carbs with every meal. And
> more
> if I felt shaky or my legs felt like they were going to buckle. It
> does make
> you feel better at the time.................So what you are telling me
> is to ride
> it out unless it dips below 70?
> No carbs for breakfast and 30 or for all other meals? (approx)
> No more peanut butter and jelly sandwiches to make me feel better
> until morning.
> I thought feeling better was the objective........damn I hate to sound
> stupid,
> but I really am clueless on this disease.
>
> Thanks for the websites, I have looked at them and put them under my
> fav's so
> I can get more correct info.

Feeling better isn't the objective. Getting your BG in range and keeping it
in range is the objective.

If I am reading this correctly, the lowest reading you've had is 90 and
that's not a hypo.

The reason you feel like you do is because you are eating too many carbs.
Your BG is spiking high then dropping and that makes you feel like you are
having a hypo.

There's nothing wrong with a peanut butter sandwich. Just check the amount
of carbs in the bread so that you aren't eating a really high carb bread.
You might find you can have only 1/2 a sandwich. You should buy natural
peanut butter with no added sugar or transfats. Jelly isn't the best thing
to have. If you really want it, get one with no added sugar or a "diet"
kind but again check the label. I use a no sugar added preserve, but I use
only the tiniest smear of it. Just enough to make the peanut butter less
sticky.

trish_5 · Joined: 26 Jul 2007 Posts: 15

On Jul 17, 3:03 am, Nicky wrote:
> On Mon, 16 Jul 2007 15:33:41 -0700, tris...@msn.com wrote:
> >I though I was supose to have at least 50 carbs with every meal.
>
> Wow! Where did that come from, Trish? I don't have reactive
> hypoglycemia, but it's not uncommon for me to eat 50g in a day!
>
> Nicky.
> T2 dx 05/04 + underactive thyroid
> D&E, 100ug thyroxine
> Last A1c 5.6% BMI 25

My thyroid did test high in March now they say I am normal again.
Does Diabetes and Thyroid problems go hand in hand?
Trish
Hey be nice this is all new to me, someone told me 15 carbs in one
choice and
you should have 3 choices with each meal. I cant help people give me
the wrong info. I guess Thursday the specialist will set me straight,
and I am getting some
good advice from everyone in here. I have cut my carbs down to amost
nothing ,
and even though its tough not to react to carbs when you get so shaky
and weak,
I am toughing it outl.

Nicky · Joined: 26 Jul 2007 Posts: 102

On Mon, 16 Jul 2007 15:33:41 -0700, trish_5@msn.com wrote:

>I though I was supose to have at least 50 carbs with every meal.

Wow! Where did that come from, Trish? I don't have reactive
hypoglycemia, but it's not uncommon for me to eat 50g in a day!

Nicky.
T2 dx 05/04 + underactive thyroid
D&E, 100ug thyroxine
Last A1c 5.6% BMI 25

Priscilla H. Ballou · Joined: 26 Jul 2007 Posts: 13

In article ,
trish_5@msn.com wrote:

> I better do some more reading, apparently I have gone about this all
> wrong.
> I though I was supose to have at least 50 carbs with every meal. And
> more
> if I felt shaky or my legs felt like they were going to buckle. It
> does make
> you feel better at the time.................So what you are telling me
> is to ride
> it out unless it dips below 70?
> No carbs for breakfast and 30 or for all other meals? (approx)
> No more peanut butter and jelly sandwiches to make me feel better
> until morning.
> I thought feeling better was the objective........damn I hate to sound
> stupid,
> but I really am clueless on this disease.

Living longer without heart attacks or strokes and with your feet,
kidneys, and eyes all functioning is the objective. In order to have a
better chance of doing that, one is advised to keep one's BG in the
normal range. I try not to go over 140 at 1 hour after first bite of a
meal and under 120 at 2 hours. I don't "correct" a lower reading unless
I'm feeling really shaky, which these days doesn't happen until the low
60s. It'll probably take a while for you to start feeling good at
normal numbers. The body gets used to high numbers when it's lived with
them for a while.

Priscilla, T2, last A1c 5.5

Alan S · Joined: 26 Jul 2007 Posts: 134

On Mon, 16 Jul 2007 15:51:16 -0700, trish_5@msn.com wrote:

>thanks again.
>I got my mothers look, my fathers lousy genes, and I still havent
>decided who's brains i got,
>no one will take the blame for that one Smile

>have a nice evening.
>Trish
>i will let you know how the rest of the week goes

Trish, you've had some excellent advice from Susan and the
others.

Have you tried that testing routine yet, to put it into
practice?

Here it is again:
http://www.alt-support-diabetes.org/NewlyDiagnosed.htm

Cheers, Alan, T2, Australia.
d&e, metformin 1500mg, ezetrol 10mg
Everything in Moderation - Except Laughter.
--
http://loraltraveloz.blogspot.com/
latest: Mossman Gorge in the Daintree Rainforest
http://loraldiabetes.blogspot.com/
latest: Self-Testing and Type 2 Management

Julie Bove · Joined: 26 Jul 2007 Posts: 494

wrote in message @e16g2000pri.googlegroups.com...
> On Jul 17, 3:03 am, Nicky wrote:
>> On Mon, 16 Jul 2007 15:33:41 -0700, tris...@msn.com wrote:
>> >I though I was supose to have at least 50 carbs with every meal.
>>
>> Wow! Where did that come from, Trish? I don't have reactive
>> hypoglycemia, but it's not uncommon for me to eat 50g in a day!
>>
>> Nicky.
>> T2 dx 05/04 + underactive thyroid
>> D&E, 100ug thyroxine
>> Last A1c 5.6% BMI 25
>
> My thyroid did test high in March now they say I am normal again.
> Does Diabetes and Thyroid problems go hand in hand?
> Trish
> Hey be nice this is all new to me, someone told me 15 carbs in one
> choice and
> you should have 3 choices with each meal. I cant help people give me
> the wrong info. I guess Thursday the specialist will set me straight,
> and I am getting some
> good advice from everyone in here. I have cut my carbs down to amost
> nothing ,
> and even though its tough not to react to carbs when you get so shaky
> and weak,
> I am toughing it out.

Both thyroid problems and diabetes are metabolic disorders so it is common
for one to have both problems. And if you do have thyroid problems, that
can make diabetes more difficult to control.

Next time anyone tells you specifically to eat a set amount of carbs, run!
There is no one diet we all follow. What works for one person might not
work for another. There was a time when I could eat three carb choices for
lunch and dinner. Never for breakfast. And that time is not now.

Nicky · Joined: 26 Jul 2007 Posts: 102

On Tue, 17 Jul 2007 05:42:15 -0700, trish_5@msn.com wrote:

>My thyroid did test high in March now they say I am normal again.
>Does Diabetes and Thyroid problems go hand in hand?

Can do - both endocrine disorders. Mine is underactive.

>Hey be nice this is all new to me, someone told me 15 carbs in one
>choice and
>you should have 3 choices with each meal. I cant help people give me
>the wrong info. I guess Thursday the specialist will set me straight,

Ah! You got really, really old advice for T1s on a fixed insulin
pattern. OK, I was afraid you got that from the specialist - sometimes
they are bang up to date, sometimes they're still banging rocks
together!

>and I am getting some
>good advice from everyone in here. I have cut my carbs down to amost
>nothing ,
>and even though its tough not to react to carbs when you get so shaky
>and weak,
>I am toughing it outl.

Good for you - your body really will feel better when you persuade it
to be on an even keel!

Nicky.
T2 dx 05/04 + underactive thyroid
D&E, 100ug thyroxine
Last A1c 5.6% BMI 25

trish_5 · Joined: 26 Jul 2007 Posts: 15

On Jul 17, 3:53 pm, Susan wrote:
> x-no-archive: yes
>
> Julie Bove wrote:
> > Both thyroid problems and diabetes are metabolic disorders so it is common
> > for one to have both problems. And if you do have thyroid problems, that
> > can make diabetes more difficult to control.
>
> Actually, both are also pituitary problems.
>
> Susan

Im back.
I had two appts since I was here last, one with the diabetic educator,
and one with the
dietician.
The diabetic educator listened to me and just wrote all my numbers
down from my monitor,
and told me to eat three times a day as the dietician worked up for
me.
Dietician said to eat 3-4 carb choices per meal x3 , or 2 carb choices
if i prefer x6 a day.
You guys tell me to intake very low carbs. Now I am really confused.
Is this old school in the diabetic world?

Trish

trish_5 · Joined: 26 Jul 2007 Posts: 15

On Jul 20, 4:31 pm, Alice Faber wrote:
> In article ,
>
>
>
>
>
> tris...@msn.com wrote:
> > On Jul 17, 3:53 pm, Susan wrote:
> > > x-no-archive: yes
>
> > > Julie Bove wrote:
> > > > Both thyroid problems and diabetes are metabolic disorders so it is common
> > > > for one to have both problems. And if you do have thyroid problems, that
> > > > can make diabetes more difficult to control.
>
> > > Actually, both are also pituitary problems.
>
> > > Susan
>
> > Im back.
> > I had two appts since I was here last, one with the diabetic educator,
> > and one with the
> > dietician.
> > The diabetic educator listened to me and just wrote all my numbers
> > down from my monitor,
> > and told me to eat three times a day as the dietician worked up for
> > me.
> > Dietician said to eat 3-4 carb choices per meal x3 , or 2 carb choices
> > if i prefer x6 a day.
> > You guys tell me to intake very low carbs. Now I am really confused.
> > Is this old school in the diabetic world?
>
> Did you ask the diabetes educator would to do if you ate as the
> dietician suggests and your post-prandial (after meal) numbers are too
> high?
>
> --
> AF
> "Non Sequitur U has a really, really lousy debate team."
> --artyw raises the bar on rec.sport.baseball- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -

This is new to me, what the educator the one that should have
explained things to me?

trish_5 · Joined: 26 Jul 2007 Posts: 15

On Jul 20, 4:53 pm, tris...@msn.com wrote:
> On Jul 20, 4:31 pm, Alice Faber wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> > In article ,
>
> > tris...@msn.com wrote:
> > > On Jul 17, 3:53 pm, Susan wrote:
> > > > x-no-archive: yes
>
> > > > Julie Bove wrote:
> > > > > Both thyroid problems and diabetes are metabolic disorders so it is common
> > > > > for one to have both problems. And if you do have thyroid problems, that
> > > > > can make diabetes more difficult to control.
>
> > > > Actually, both are also pituitary problems.
>
> > > > Susan
>
> > > Im back.
> > > I had two appts since I was here last, one with the diabetic educator,
> > > and one with the
> > > dietician.
> > > The diabetic educator listened to me and just wrote all my numbers
> > > down from my monitor,
> > > and told me to eat three times a day as the dietician worked up for
> > > me.
> > > Dietician said to eat 3-4 carb choices per meal x3 , or 2 carb choices
> > > if i prefer x6 a day.
> > > You guys tell me to intake very low carbs. Now I am really confused.
> > > Is this old school in the diabetic world?
>
> > Did you ask the diabetes educator would to do if you ate as the
> > dietician suggests and your post-prandial (after meal) numbers are too
> > high?
>
> > --
> > AF
> > "Non Sequitur U has a really, really lousy debate team."
> > --artyw raises the bar on rec.sport.baseball- Hide quoted text -
>
> > - Show quoted text -
>
> This is new to me, what the educator the one that should have
> explained things to me?- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -

coping this word for word, if i eat three times per day.

Breakfast:

3-4 carb choices 45-60 carbs per meal
0-2 oz of protien (2 eggs or atkins protien shake)
0-1 fat

Snack:
Yogurt 30 carbs
walnuts 4 halves

Lunch:
3-4 carb choices
vegtable (like asparagus unlimited)
2-3 oz of chicken
1-2 fat choices

Snack:
2 carb choices
cottage cheese 1/2 cup

Dinner:
3-4 carb choices
vegtable
3 oz of meat
baked potato
1-2 oz of butter

snack:
1-2 carb choices

any comments? please tell me what you think.

Thanks
Trish