Really stubborn or perhaps rather sad.

James Silverton · Joined: 26 Jul 2007 Posts: 187

I was just going into a supermarket today when I heard two cars
beeping. They were backing out simultaneously and just saw each
other in time to avoid a collision. That happens but the next
was weird since each seemed to consider that they had the right
of way and wouldn't yield or go back so they beeped at each
other for (really) two minutes until one started to make small
moves back and forward with assistance from a gathering crowd.
They beeped at each other after each move but finally there was
room to go. Appropriately, both parking spaces were handicapped
ones but I wonder if it was two cases of incipient Alzheimer's
and really rather sad.

James Silverton
Potomac, Maryland

E-mail, with obvious alterations:
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JoeSpareBedroom · Joined: 26 Jul 2007 Posts: 138

"James Silverton" wrote in message $T8.2010@trnddc03...
>I was just going into a supermarket today when I heard two cars
> beeping. They were backing out simultaneously and just saw each
> other in time to avoid a collision. That happens but the next
> was weird since each seemed to consider that they had the right
> of way and wouldn't yield or go back so they beeped at each
> other for (really) two minutes until one started to make small
> moves back and forward with assistance from a gathering crowd.
> They beeped at each other after each move but finally there was
> room to go. Appropriately, both parking spaces were handicapped
> ones but I wonder if it was two cases of incipient Alzheimer's
> and really rather sad.
>
>
>
> James Silverton
> Potomac, Maryland

Cabin fever, perhaps? Men or women?

sf · Joined: 26 Jul 2007 Posts: 466

On Sat, 23 Feb 2008 23:02:50 GMT, "James Silverton"
wrote:

>I was just going into a supermarket today when I heard two cars
>beeping. They were backing out simultaneously and just saw each
>other in time to avoid a collision. That happens but the next
>was weird since each seemed to consider that they had the right
>of way and wouldn't yield or go back so they beeped at each
>other for (really) two minutes until one started to make small
>moves back and forward with assistance from a gathering crowd.
>They beeped at each other after each move but finally there was
>room to go. Appropriately, both parking spaces were handicapped
>ones but I wonder if it was two cases of incipient Alzheimer's
>and really rather sad.
>

I think that as far as the law goes: the car that's backing up is
always wrong - but two wrongs don't make a right. Maybe the crowd saw
which one actually started to back out first and was helping that one.

I've never had a backing up incident, but I clearly remember waiting
*forever* for a car to back out of a parking spot only to have a car
behind me go around as if passing and go directly into the space as
soon as the backing up car cleared it. ZOOOM

Believe me, this is not a story of a dottering old fool... it happened
when I was in my twenties.

In any case, your story sounds like two handicapped bullies to me (or
more likely, they were drivers of handicapped people) - but you didn't
say how many were in each car. Don't forget that handicapped
stickers/placards and handicapped parking spaces are regularly abused.

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Julie Bove · Joined: 26 Jul 2007 Posts: 494

"James Silverton" wrote in message $T8.2010@trnddc03...
>I was just going into a supermarket today when I heard two cars
> beeping. They were backing out simultaneously and just saw each
> other in time to avoid a collision. That happens but the next
> was weird since each seemed to consider that they had the right
> of way and wouldn't yield or go back so they beeped at each
> other for (really) two minutes until one started to make small
> moves back and forward with assistance from a gathering crowd.
> They beeped at each other after each move but finally there was
> room to go. Appropriately, both parking spaces were handicapped
> ones but I wonder if it was two cases of incipient Alzheimer's
> and really rather sad.

That is sad. A couple of months ago, I was backing out at the grocery store
when another car started to back up and could have possibly hit me. I
honked. They stopped, turned around looked at me and began to back up more.
I honked again. They repeated the procedure. I laid on the horn. People
turned around and looked. Car still continued to back up rather quickly. I
had to rocket back into my parking space or I would have been hit. I
couldn't believe it and neither could my daughter. Left me shaking because
I had to move so quickly to avoid being hit.

Blinky the Shark · Joined: 26 Jul 2007 Posts: 227

Julie Bove wrote:

>
> "James Silverton" wrote in message
> $T8.2010@trnddc03...
>>I was just going into a supermarket today when I heard two cars
>> beeping. They were backing out simultaneously and just saw each
>> other in time to avoid a collision. That happens but the next
>> was weird since each seemed to consider that they had the right
>> of way and wouldn't yield or go back so they beeped at each
>> other for (really) two minutes until one started to make small
>> moves back and forward with assistance from a gathering crowd.
>> They beeped at each other after each move but finally there was
>> room to go. Appropriately, both parking spaces were handicapped
>> ones but I wonder if it was two cases of incipient Alzheimer's
>> and really rather sad.
>
> That is sad. A couple of months ago, I was backing out at the grocery store
> when another car started to back up and could have possibly hit me. I
> honked. They stopped, turned around looked at me and began to back up more.
> I honked again. They repeated the procedure. I laid on the horn. People
> turned around and looked. Car still continued to back up rather quickly. I
> had to rocket back into my parking space or I would have been hit. I
> couldn't believe it and neither could my daughter. Left me shaking because
> I had to move so quickly to avoid being hit.

Hey, it this a new thing in signage, or have I just not noticed it?

A stop sign with a subsign that says cars on the cross street don't stop.

http://blinkynet.net/stuff/stop.jpg

Uh......for what, maybe 80 years now, hasn't STOP meant "STOP", not "STOP
LIKE ALL OTHER DIRECTIONS ARE DOING"? The other street not stopping is
the default, innit? Unless, of course a sign *states* "4-WAY" (but of
course then it's not a default situation).

Are we devolving into generations that think a stop sign always means
*everybody* stops -- along with not being able to park without radar and
not being able to shift a manual transmission?

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Julie Bove · Joined: 26 Jul 2007 Posts: 494

"Blinky the Shark" wrote in message @thurston.blinkynet.net...
> Julie Bove wrote:
>
>>
>> "James Silverton" wrote in message
>> $T8.2010@trnddc03...
>>>I was just going into a supermarket today when I heard two cars
>>> beeping. They were backing out simultaneously and just saw each
>>> other in time to avoid a collision. That happens but the next
>>> was weird since each seemed to consider that they had the right
>>> of way and wouldn't yield or go back so they beeped at each
>>> other for (really) two minutes until one started to make small
>>> moves back and forward with assistance from a gathering crowd.
>>> They beeped at each other after each move but finally there was
>>> room to go. Appropriately, both parking spaces were handicapped
>>> ones but I wonder if it was two cases of incipient Alzheimer's
>>> and really rather sad.
>>
>> That is sad. A couple of months ago, I was backing out at the grocery
>> store
>> when another car started to back up and could have possibly hit me. I
>> honked. They stopped, turned around looked at me and began to back up
>> more.
>> I honked again. They repeated the procedure. I laid on the horn.
>> People
>> turned around and looked. Car still continued to back up rather quickly.
>> I
>> had to rocket back into my parking space or I would have been hit. I
>> couldn't believe it and neither could my daughter. Left me shaking
>> because
>> I had to move so quickly to avoid being hit.
>
> Hey, it this a new thing in signage, or have I just not noticed it?
>
> A stop sign with a subsign that says cars on the cross street don't stop.
>
> http://blinkynet.net/stuff/stop.jpg
>
> Uh......for what, maybe 80 years now, hasn't STOP meant "STOP", not "STOP
> LIKE ALL OTHER DIRECTIONS ARE DOING"? The other street not stopping is
> the default, innit? Unless, of course a sign *states* "4-WAY" (but of
> course then it's not a default situation).
>
> Are we devolving into generations that think a stop sign always means
> *everybody* stops -- along with not being able to park without radar and
> not being able to shift a manual transmission?

That is a new one! Perhaps they had problems there with cars thinking it
was a four way stop? I have been guilty of doing that. Stopping when I
don't have to. I even do it at the same grocery store I mentioned above.
They have stop signs going in one direction but not the other.

Nancy Young · Joined: 26 Jul 2007 Posts: 187

"Blinky the Shark" wrote

> A stop sign with a subsign that says cars on the cross street don't stop.
>
> http://blinkynet.net/stuff/stop.jpg
>
> Uh......for what, maybe 80 years now, hasn't STOP meant "STOP", not "STOP
> LIKE ALL OTHER DIRECTIONS ARE DOING"?

That's crazy. Maybe they are having problems with people
going through that particular stop sign.

> The other street not stopping is
> the default, innit? Unless, of course a sign *states* "4-WAY" (but of
> course then it's not a default situation).

Those 4-way stops are a menace. Same with people who
don't take their right of way, gesturing people ahead. But
that's another matter.

nancy

JoeSpareBedroom · Joined: 26 Jul 2007 Posts: 138

"Nancy Young" wrote in message @comcast.com...
>
> "Blinky the Shark" wrote
>
>> A stop sign with a subsign that says cars on the cross street don't stop.
>>
>> http://blinkynet.net/stuff/stop.jpg
>>
>> Uh......for what, maybe 80 years now, hasn't STOP meant "STOP", not "STOP
>> LIKE ALL OTHER DIRECTIONS ARE DOING"?
>
> That's crazy. Maybe they are having problems with people
> going through that particular stop sign.
>
>> The other street not stopping is
>> the default, innit? Unless, of course a sign *states* "4-WAY" (but of
>> course then it's not a default situation).
>
> Those 4-way stops are a menace. Same with people who
> don't take their right of way, gesturing people ahead. But
> that's another matter.
>
> nancy
>

I hate it when people break the rules by trying to be nice! Follow the
damned rules. They're in the driver's manual.

David Scheidt · Joined: 23 Oct 2007 Posts: 11

Blinky the Shark wrote:

:Hey, it this a new thing in signage, or have I just not noticed it?

:A stop sign with a subsign that says cars on the cross street don't stop.

They're used where drivers might expect it to be a four way stop. For
instance, you might find one on a county road where it intersects a
highway. The last 23 intersections have all been four way stops, and
suddenly, you've got cross traffic going 70 miles an hour. That's a
recipe for fatal T-bone collisions.

Nancy Young · Joined: 26 Jul 2007 Posts: 187

"JoeSpareBedroom" wrote

> "Nancy Young" wrote

>> Those 4-way stops are a menace. Same with people who
>> don't take their right of way, gesturing people ahead. But
>> that's another matter.

> I hate it when people break the rules by trying to be nice! Follow the
> damned rules. They're in the driver's manual.

I know they're trying to be nice, but if I went when people
waved me to go I'd be dead from the car flying up past them.
Just follow the rules, it makes for confusion and mayhem when
you break them. It's not about being nice.

nancy

JoeSpareBedroom · Joined: 26 Jul 2007 Posts: 138

"Nancy Young" wrote in message @comcast.com...
>
> "JoeSpareBedroom" wrote
>
>> "Nancy Young" wrote
>
>>> Those 4-way stops are a menace. Same with people who
>>> don't take their right of way, gesturing people ahead. But
>>> that's another matter.
>
>> I hate it when people break the rules by trying to be nice! Follow the
>> damned rules. They're in the driver's manual.
>
> I know they're trying to be nice, but if I went when people
> waved me to go I'd be dead from the car flying up past them.
> Just follow the rules, it makes for confusion and mayhem when
> you break them. It's not about being nice.
>
> nancy
>

It is kind of strange though: The person on the right is supposed to go
first. Great, unless everyone arrives at the stop signs at the same moment.
When that happens, I look to see if everyone's eyes are scanning the
intersection. There's always one who seems to be looking down at their lap.
That's the one who gonna go, and then horns will start honking. That's the
driver who needs to be dragged out their car, shot dead, and thrown in a
ditch. Smile

You know they're gonna kill someone soon.

Toronto · Joined: 26 Jul 2007 Posts: 6

On Feb 23, 9:32 pm, "Nancy Young" wrote:
> I know they're trying to be nice, but if I went when people
> waved me to go I'd be dead from the car flying up past them.
> Just follow the rules, it makes for confusion and mayhem when
> you break them. It's not about being nice.

Try doing that on a cargo bicycle! Happened to me just this afternoon,
most recently. I ws going down the base leg of a "false-T"
intersection, intending to go straight into the parking lot on the far
side.Guy to my right had the r.o.w. but waved me on. I no sooner shook
my head "No" when a car from the left side went straight through
without actually stopping at all.

Nancy Young · Joined: 26 Jul 2007 Posts: 187

"JoeSpareBedroom" wrote

> It is kind of strange though: The person on the right is supposed to go
> first. Great, unless everyone arrives at the stop signs at the same
> moment. When that happens, I look to see if everyone's eyes are scanning
> the intersection. There's always one who seems to be looking down at their
> lap. That's the one who gonna go, and then horns will start honking.
> That's the driver who needs to be dragged out their car, shot dead, and
> thrown in a ditch. Smile

You know they're gonna kill someone soon.

That's why I said those 4 Way stops are ridiculous. You get one
cautious person who is afraid to go, then everyone else decides
I guess I should go. Stupid.

nancy

CartGirl563 · Joined: 26 Jul 2007 Posts: 2

Here's another parking lot story.
I noticed someone about to back out of a spot on my left, so I put on
the turn signal and waited on the right side of the lane I was in.
Someone pulls up behind me. Decides they don't want to wait for me to
pull into the parking spot once its vacant. They started to pass me on
the left at a higher rate of speed than one should use in a parking
lot. The person backing out of the parking spot saw me waiting for the
spot and figured the coast was clear and the person backed out and
they rammed into each other.
The guy who had been behind me was enraged, he was the first to get
the police on the phone. He was in a rush, this was an inconvenience,
and so forth. The person who was in the car that was backing out asked
me to stay as a witness, which I was happy to do. The person backing
out got a warning--they really should have looked twice before backing
out, but the moron who passed me got a ticket for failure to yield and
a few other things and his insurance company got to pay for the damage
to both cars.

On Feb 23, 7:18 pm, sf wrote:
> On Sat, 23 Feb 2008 23:02:50 GMT, "James Silverton"
>
> wrote:
> >I was just going into a supermarket today when I heard two cars
> >beeping. They were backing out simultaneously and just saw each
> >other in time to avoid a collision. That happens but the next
> >was weird since each seemed to consider that they had the right
> >of way and wouldn't yield or go back so they beeped at each
> >other for (really) two minutes until one started to make small
> >moves back and forward with assistance from a gathering crowd.
> >They beeped at each other after each move but finally there was
> >room to go. Appropriately, both parking spaces were handicapped
> >ones but I wonder if it was two cases of incipient Alzheimer's
> >and really rather sad.
>
> I think that as far as the law goes: the car that's backing up is
> always wrong - but two wrongs don't make a right. Maybe the crowd saw
> which one actually started to back out first and was helping that one.
>
> I've never had a backing up incident, but I clearly remember waiting
> *forever* for a car to back out of a parking spot only to have a car
> behind me go around as if passing and go directly into the space as
> soon as the backing up car cleared it. ZOOOM
>
> Believe me, this is not a story of a dottering old fool... it happened
> when I was in my twenties.
>
> In any case, your story sounds like two handicapped bullies to me (or
> more likely, they were drivers of handicapped people) - but you didn't
> say how many were in each car. Don't forget that handicapped
> stickers/placards and handicapped parking spaces are regularly abused.
>
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Blinky the Shark · Joined: 26 Jul 2007 Posts: 227

Nancy Young wrote:

>
> "JoeSpareBedroom" wrote
>
>> It is kind of strange though: The person on the right is supposed to go
>> first. Great, unless everyone arrives at the stop signs at the same
>> moment. When that happens, I look to see if everyone's eyes are scanning
>> the intersection. There's always one who seems to be looking down at their
>> lap. That's the one who gonna go, and then horns will start honking.
>> That's the driver who needs to be dragged out their car, shot dead, and
>> thrown in a ditch. Smile

You know they're gonna kill someone soon.
>
> That's why I said those 4 Way stops are ridiculous. You get one
> cautious person who is afraid to go, then everyone else decides
> I guess I should go. Stupid.

Sounds like we could also call them "3-Way Goes". Smile

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