Hello!

Sean Dennis · Joined: 27 Sep 2007 Posts: 19

> You'll want to kill-file a few right away. One being a Dr. He really
> is a Dr. Just perhaps a mad Dr. Another being the iron man. I think
> he means well, but...

I've warmed up my killfile for a.s.d. already. It'll remain on standby
here. Smile

Thanks for the heads up though.

--Sean

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Alan S · Joined: 26 Jul 2007 Posts: 134

On Fri, 21 Sep 2007 17:54:51 -0000, Sean Dennis
wrote:

>Hello!
>
>I just started picking up this newsgroup (finally got around to installing
>a reader) and I wanted to introduce myself. I'm a Type 2 diabetic,
>diagnosed in 2003. I take Avandia and glipizide for my diabetes and
>lisonopril for my blood pressure (the two go hand in hand). I'm working on
>getting everything back under control after a period of problems. I come
>from a family of diabetics, but I wasn't diagnosed until I was 31.
>
>I'm working on diet and trying to get exercise as much as I can, but it can
>be hard when you work overnight and want to sleep all day. Smile

>
>I also love to collect recipes and have a small (about 30,000 or so)
>database in my MealMaster program that I would love to share if anyone's
>interested.
>
>Look forward to meeting new people and learning new things.
>
>--Sean

Hi Sean

As Robert said, you'll find more of us over at
alt.support.diabetes.

As a separate note, you might also find it valuable to do a
little googling on recent implications of studies on
Avandia. Start here:
http://www.endocrinetoday.com/200709/storm.asp

While you do that, these may help a little:

On diet for weight loss:
http://loraldiabetes.blogspot.com/2006/10/weight-loss-cooking-and-eating-plan.html

On diet for control:
http://loraldiabetes.blogspot.com/2006/10/test-review-adjust.html

And a small repertoire of basic recipes:
http://loraldiabetes.blogspot.com/2006/10/recipes.html

Cheers, Alan, T2, Australia.
d&e, metformin 1500mg, ezetrol 10mg
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Nicky · Joined: 26 Jul 2007 Posts: 102

On Fri, 21 Sep 2007 23:10:55 -0000, Sean Dennis
wrote:

>And according to the recipe, it's from an ADA cookbook.

Uh, Sean - that's almost a guarantee that it'll be useless for anyone
trying to control carbs.

I went through my MMM cookbook and deleted every obviously high-carb
recipe at dx - and am now regretting it, as I learn to adapt recipes
successfully. But for now, you might be wise to run every recipe you
feel like trying through Fitday or another USDA database to see what
its nutritional breakdown actually is, then test an hour after eating
to see what it does to you. You could note what your readings are
right in the recipe, and know what to do next time you fancied it...

Nicky.
T2 dx 05/04 + underactive thyroid
D&E, 100ug thyroxine
Last A1c 5.6% BMI 25

Alan S · Joined: 26 Jul 2007 Posts: 134

On Fri, 21 Sep 2007 23:10:55 -0000, Sean Dennis
wrote:

>> Sorry, I can't use that one. It has too many carbohydrates with the
>> flour, honey, milk and fructose. We watch carbohydrates here.
>
>Sorry about that; I just picked one at random. I do too, actually, and
>that might be high, even for me. Didn't look at it too closely. I'm
>allergic to milk and I cannot have honey, so yeah, that one's out.
>
Sean, I've found that "Diabetic" or "low-fat "recipes tend
to be bloody useless for me.

Take that one for example - it's totally designed for
low-fat, even though it isn't all that low anyway. I did a
quick analysis and this is what came back for each of 24
small serves:

Calories 84__cal
Protein 2__gm
Total Fat 4__gm
Sat. Fat 1__gm
Mono. Fat 1__gm
Poly. Fat 2__gm
Carbohydrate 12__gm
Fiber 1__gm

If made as 12 cupcakes, double all those.

Personally, I reserve my carbs ration for something much
more satisfying and nutritious than that.

>> Just curious: how did this come to be a "Diabetic" recipe?
>
>If you look at the bottom of the recipe, it's from some cookbook, I
>gather.
>
>How's this one? I don't know if I could have it due to my restricted
>salt intake, but it looks good:
>
>MMMMM----- Recipe via Meal-Master (tm) v8.06
>
> Title: Turkey-Barley Soup
> Categories: Diabetic, Soups, Vegetables, Crockpot, Turkey
> Yield: 6 Servings
>
> 6 c Turkey or chicken broth;
> 1 c Turkey; diced cooked
> 1 c Pearl barley;
> 1 Onion; chopped
> 2 Celery; stalks, chopped
> 3 Carrots; sliced
> 1 Bay leaf;
> 1 ts Dry thyme;
> 1/4 ts Dried marjoram;
> 1/4 ts Ground black pepper;
> 2 tb Chop.fresh parsley (2ts.dry)
>
> Combine all the ingredients in soup pot or slow cooker. Cook over
> low heat in the slow cooker for 6 hours or simmer on the stove for 1
> hour, or until the carrots are tender and the barley is soft.
>
> 1/6 recipe - 181 calories, 1 lean meat, 1 bread, 2 vegetable
> exchanges 30 grams carbohydrate, 11 grams protein, 2 grams fat, 44 mg
> sodium, 320 mg potassium, 18 mg cholesterol.
>
> Source: Am. Diabetes Assoc. Holiday Cookbook by Betty Wedman 1986
> Shared but not tested by Elizabeth Rodier, Nov. 93
>
> Long-grain rice has slightly less carbohydrates and calories per cup
> than barley if you wish to substitute.
>
>MMMMM
>
>And according to the recipe, it's from an ADA cookbook.
>
Actually, that could be a good recipe. I would reduce the
barley to a 1/2 cup or less and add maybe extra onion and
celery. Less starch, more low-starch veges. Sodium would
depend on your own additional seasoning if you make your own
broth or stock, or buy a low sodium version.

Cheers, Alan, T2, Australia.
d&e, metformin 1500mg, ezetrol 10mg
Everything in Moderation - Except Laughter.
--
http://loraldiabetes.blogspot.com

Alan S · Joined: 26 Jul 2007 Posts: 134

On Sat, 22 Sep 2007 03:09:36 -0000, Sean Dennis
wrote:

>Nearly everything I eat spikes, but my levels come down to normal pretty
>quickly. It's the salt I have to be careful with; my BP fluctuates a lot
>faster than my glucose levels at times.
>
>But it sounds good nonetheless.
>
>--Sean

Read this: http://www.phlaunt.com/diabetes/14045678.php

Cheers, Alan, T2, Australia.
d&e, metformin 1500mg, ezetrol 10mg
Everything in Moderation - Except Laughter.
--
http://loraldiabetes.blogspot.com

Sean Dennis · Joined: 27 Sep 2007 Posts: 19

> Sean, salt retention is regulated by the adrenals, as is potassium.
> Have you had them evaluated?

Yep. They're working fine. My diet was the problem.

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Sean Dennis · Joined: 27 Sep 2007 Posts: 19

Alan S wrote in @4ax.com:

> http://www.phlaunt.com/diabetes/14045678.php

I've read all of that already...but it's my fasting levels that I really
need to get down. They're still too high for my liking (I'm pretty much
doing the diabetes thing alone; my doctor isn't much help).

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Sean Dennis · Joined: 27 Sep 2007 Posts: 19

Nicky wrote in @4ax.com:

> Uh, Sean - that's almost a guarantee that it'll be useless for anyone
> trying to control carbs.

Thanks for the warning.

> I went through my MMM cookbook and deleted every obviously high-carb
> recipe at dx - and am now regretting it, as I learn to adapt recipes
> successfully. But for now, you might be wise to run every recipe you
> feel like trying through Fitday or another USDA database to see what
> its nutritional breakdown actually is, then test an hour after eating
> to see what it does to you. You could note what your readings are
> right in the recipe, and know what to do next time you fancied it...

I am not really cooking much these days. I am mostly just eating once to
twice a day due to my schedule, so generally I make small meals. I'll
take a sandwich with me to work and have a small dinner. I generally
don't have breakfast because I'm too tired and I have to wait an hour
before eating anyhow, so by the time the hour's up, I'm fast asleep.

I'm limited to 16 servings of carbs a day and I doubt I even get more
than 7 (that's counting the bread in the sandwich too).

My wife likes to eat healthy, so we generally do so. My big thing for
me, I've noticed, is my lack of exercise. I'm trying to do a lot more as
I noticed when I was moving (I moved across town a few months ago), my
glucose levels dropped to between 85-90 mg/dL. That's really good for
me. Right now, they're a little higher.

But I will run recipes through those databases you mentioned first to see
what's going on.

--Sean

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Sean Dennis · Joined: 27 Sep 2007 Posts: 19

> Do you have DP? Have you tried a bedtime snack/glass of wine?

I'm not sure what DP is...but I cannot eat before bed. I will get
violently ill if I do (I've always been that way). I don't drink alcohol
at all either.

Generally I eat after I get up. That's when I feel the most like eating.
I'll eat about 10 PM then again at 4 AM (remember, I work overnight).

--Sean

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Nicky · Joined: 26 Jul 2007 Posts: 102

On Sat, 22 Sep 2007 16:09:50 -0000, Sean Dennis
wrote:

>Alan S wrote in
>@4ax.com:
>
>> http://www.phlaunt.com/diabetes/14045678.php
>
>I've read all of that already...but it's my fasting levels that I really
>need to get down. They're still too high for my liking (I'm pretty much
>doing the diabetes thing alone; my doctor isn't much help).

Do you have DP? Have you tried a bedtime snack/glass of wine?

Nicky.
T2 dx 05/04 + underactive thyroid
D&E, 100ug thyroxine
Last A1c 5.6% BMI 25

Nicky · Joined: 26 Jul 2007 Posts: 102

On Sat, 22 Sep 2007 16:15:17 -0000, Sean Dennis
wrote:

>I'm limited to 16 servings of carbs a day and I doubt I even get more
>than 7 (that's counting the bread in the sandwich too).

The only limit that counts is what your meter imposes - what's your bg
like an hour after a sandwich?

>
>My wife likes to eat healthy, so we generally do so. My big thing for
>me, I've noticed, is my lack of exercise. I'm trying to do a lot more

Yeah, it really is important. Apart from general fitness, exercising
after a meal will really bring your bg down.

DP is Dawn Phenomenon - or mid-afternoon phenomenon for night shift
workers : ) It's a glucose dump by your liver that's supposed to help
you face that sabre-toothed tiger in your day... you know you've got
it when your bedtime reading is significantly lower than your waking
one, and the waking one continues to rise until you eat. It's
complicated by shift working, though, because it's also tied in with
your adrenal/cortisol system, which can be altered by shift working.
The cure often involves a bedtime snack of a little bit of carbs and
protein - a couple of PB crackers, for instance - so that there's
still glucose left in your system when your liver does a status check.
Wine is useful because it delays processing of the carbs - but not
essential.

Nicky.
T2 dx 05/04 + underactive thyroid
D&E, 100ug thyroxine
Last A1c 5.6% BMI 25

RodS · Joined: 31 Aug 2007 Posts: 16

"Nicky" wrote in message@4ax.com...

Thank you for that explanation I have asked my Diabetic Nurse about this a
few times and got a reply which didn't make any sense, now I understand.
Thanks again

RodS

> DP is Dawn Phenomenon - or mid-afternoon phenomenon for night shift
> workers : ) It's a glucose dump by your liver that's supposed to help
> you face that sabre-toothed tiger in your day... you know you've got
> it when your bedtime reading is significantly lower than your waking
> one, and the waking one continues to rise until you eat. It's
> complicated by shift working, though, because it's also tied in with
> your adrenal/cortisol system, which can be altered by shift working.
> The cure often involves a bedtime snack of a little bit of carbs and
> protein - a couple of PB crackers, for instance - so that there's
> still glucose left in your system when your liver does a status check.
> Wine is useful because it delays processing of the carbs - but not
> essential.
>
> Nicky.
> T2 dx 05/04 + underactive thyroid
> D&E, 100ug thyroxine
> Last A1c 5.6% BMI 25

Alan S · Joined: 26 Jul 2007 Posts: 134

On Sat, 22 Sep 2007 16:15:17 -0000, Sean Dennis
wrote:

>I'm limited to 16 servings of carbs a day and I doubt I even get more
>than 7 (that's counting the bread in the sandwich too).

16x15gms daily is a limit? Wow! Way, way above the carbs I
eat and I don't consider myself a low-carber. I may exceed
your 7 occasionally, but I'm very careful as to how and with
what.

Cheers, Alan, T2, Australia.
d&e, metformin 1500mg, ezetrol 10mg
Everything in Moderation - Except Laughter.
--
http://loraldiabetes.blogspot.com

Sean Dennis · Joined: 27 Sep 2007 Posts: 19

Alan S wrote in @4ax.com:

> http://www.alt-support-diabetes.org/NewlyDiagnosed.htm

Thanks for the information and the URL. I appreciate it.

The hardest part for me is to get the clock shifted over. I haven't been
feeling good lately (and it's not because of my diabetes), so my BG has
been off a bit.

I think I'm going to go for a walk. Not because of anything in
particular...it just sounds good. Smile

-- Sean

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Sean Dennis · Joined: 27 Sep 2007 Posts: 19

Nicky wrote in @4ax.com:

> On Sat, 22 Sep 2007 16:15:17 -0000, Sean Dennis
> wrote:
>
>>I'm limited to 16 servings of carbs a day and I doubt I even get more
>>than 7 (that's counting the bread in the sandwich too).
>
> The only limit that counts is what your meter imposes - what's your bg
> like an hour after a sandwich?

It's about 175 or so, but does drop fairly quickly.

> Yeah, it really is important. Apart from general fitness, exercising
> after a meal will really bring your bg down.

That's what I'm planning on doing here after a small meal (I just woke up
and it's 7:30 PM; I didn't get to bed until noon though).

> The cure often involves a bedtime snack of a little bit of carbs and
> protein - a couple of PB crackers, for instance - so that there's
> still glucose left in your system when your liver does a status check.
> Wine is useful because it delays processing of the carbs - but not
> essential.

Wow, I learned something new. Razz

That would explain a lot! This morning, I had a /small/ bowl of corn
flakes, with a cup of skim milk (I no longer drink any other kind of
milk) and 1/2 packet of Splenda (about 1/2 tsp). I checked my blood
sugar when I got up and it was 274mg/dL, but I think that's partially due
to my being really sick last night at work. I must have either eaten
something I didn't like or had taken my diabetes meds too close together
because I was painfully sick in the tummy all last night.

I'm feeling better today, but not quite the same. I just ate a very tiny
(less than a cup) of a nice chicken cassorole my wife made for me at my
request off the back of a soup can. Smile

After that settles, I'll go for a
short walk before dark (you don't want to be out in my neighborhood after
dark!) and see what happens.

Thank you for the information. I've saved that post for future research
and reference.

--Sean

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