Can I eat foods with sugar in them?

Julie Bove · Joined: 26 Jul 2007 Posts: 494

"fellaj.s." wrote in message $12o$1@possum.melbpc.org.au...
>i am Not a doc.
> i am never going to treat you ....
> my question is not how happy you and doc are
> so i will repeat for argument sake
> why be a "moderate" type 2 diabetic?

There is no such term.

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fellaj.s. · Joined: 26 Dec 2007 Posts: 3

i am Not a doc.
i am never going to treat you ....
my question is not how happy you and doc are
so i will repeat for argument sake
why be a "moderate" type 2 diabetic?

Julie Bove · Joined: 26 Jul 2007 Posts: 494

"fellaj.s." wrote in message $2d9$1@possum.melbpc.org.au...
> if you can eat "in moderation" and be a diabetic
> ergo
> a "moderate diabetic"

That makes no sense. If you could eat in moderation and have moderate BG
that would make sense. But it just doesn't work that way.

fellaj.s. · Joined: 29 Dec 2007 Posts: 1

if you can eat "in moderation" and be a diabetic
ergo
a "moderate diabetic"

Anna · Joined: 25 Dec 2007 Posts: 19

On Sun, 30 Dec 2007 12:22:54 -0600, Janet Wilder
wrote:

>Anna wrote:
>
>> why not leave me alone. It is nice that there are so many know it alls
>> here and doctors. I should be paying you instead of my doctor for the
>> advice.
>> Nicky you are the only thing that SUCKS around here.
>>
> Anna,
>
>Have you considered the fact that your own doctor might be out of touch
>with the current treatment programs? Most Diabetics these days benefit
>from a team approach with an endocrinologist, a Diabetic Educator and a
>specially trained nutritionist.
>
>My DH would not see any doctor for his Diabetes who did not have a
>well-trained and accessible Diabetic Educator.
>
>Many patients suffer from what I call "General Practitioner Syndrome"
>where they are given a diagnosis, a drug, a sheet of paper with a
>one-size fits all diet, and instructions to test their blood glucose in
>the morning once a day, if at all. If this is what your doctor has done
>for you, then perhaps you will learn something here.

My dr. is an endocrinologist. THEY DEAL STRICTLY WITH DIABETICS. All
the information she has given me has been checked by ME with the ADA
so yes I do trust her. My sister has a nurse friend who works for the
ADA and I check on anything my doctor says with her. She has been with
the ADA for 24 years. Should I trust her????
We don't have any nutritionists here in Fairbanks. I would have to
travel to Anchorage which is 500 miles south and our insurance won't
cover the trip or the nutritionist because they charge almost $300 an
hour.

Janet Wilder · Joined: 26 Jul 2007 Posts: 230

Anna wrote:

> why not leave me alone. It is nice that there are so many know it alls
> here and doctors. I should be paying you instead of my doctor for the
> advice.
> Nicky you are the only thing that SUCKS around here.
>
Anna,

Have you considered the fact that your own doctor might be out of touch
with the current treatment programs? Most Diabetics these days benefit
from a team approach with an endocrinologist, a Diabetic Educator and a
specially trained nutritionist.

My DH would not see any doctor for his Diabetes who did not have a
well-trained and accessible Diabetic Educator.

Many patients suffer from what I call "General Practitioner Syndrome"
where they are given a diagnosis, a drug, a sheet of paper with a
one-size fits all diet, and instructions to test their blood glucose in
the morning once a day, if at all. If this is what your doctor has done
for you, then perhaps you will learn something here.

--
Janet Wilder
Bad spelling. Bad punctuation
Good Friends. Good Life

Janet Wilder · Joined: 26 Jul 2007 Posts: 230

Anna wrote:

> My dr. is an endocrinologist. THEY DEAL STRICTLY WITH DIABETICS. All
> the information she has given me has been checked by ME with the ADA
> so yes I do trust her. My sister has a nurse friend who works for the
> ADA and I check on anything my doctor says with her. She has been with
> the ADA for 24 years. Should I trust her????

Personally, I wouldn't. The ADA is notorious for their concentration on
low-fat and not on the carbohydrates which are the things that make the
blood glucose numbers high.

I have plenty of ADA recipes that are so high in carbs that they are
laughable. Desserts that are 45 grams of carbs (the entire 3 carb-count
servings permitted in your diet).

The ADA does some good things and we have been members for many, many
years, but their recipes are silly.
> We don't have any nutritionists here in Fairbanks. I would have to
> travel to Anchorage which is 500 miles south and our insurance won't
> cover the trip or the nutritionist because they charge almost $300 an
> hour.
>

--
Janet Wilder
Bad spelling. Bad punctuation
Good Friends. Good Life

Janet Wilder · Joined: 26 Jul 2007 Posts: 230

Julie Bove wrote:
> "W. Baker" wrote in message
> $2t7$2@reader2.panix.com...
>
>> My dietician, who was no low carber, used to say that you have to just
>> ignore he recipes in the ADA lay magazine, Diabetes Forcast because they
>> are all too high in carbs fo rany but diabetics who are engaged in very
>> heavy manual labor.
>>
>> Were I to eat the amounts you have had recommended to you, 12 15 gram carb
>> units a day, I would have such high bg numbers that I would have to take
>> ffar mor meds than the 1000mgs twice a day of Metformin EX and 1 mg of
>> amaryl at night to keep myself from having all kinds of diabetic
>> complications. For me, she recommended 8 15 gram cab units and I foun d
>> that too much fo rme to handle, so cut back further using my meter as my
>> guide, checking FBG and after meal readings. In am 20 years a type 2 and
>> stil wilthout such complications(knock on wood).
>
> I've been told that those recipes are intended for people with type 1 who
> can shoot insulin to cover the carbs they eat.
>
>
That would be a whole lot of insulin! There has to be a calculation of
carbs being eaten and blood glucose level made for the bolus. Type 1s
have to watch their carbs, too.

--
Janet Wilder
Bad spelling. Bad punctuation
Good Friends. Good Life

Priscilla Ballou · Joined: 26 Jul 2007 Posts: 34

In article ,
Anna wrote:

> On Sun, 30 Dec 2007 12:22:54 -0600, Janet Wilder
> wrote:
>
> >Anna wrote:
> >
> >> why not leave me alone. It is nice that there are so many know it alls
> >> here and doctors. I should be paying you instead of my doctor for the
> >> advice.
> >> Nicky you are the only thing that SUCKS around here.
> >>
> > Anna,
> >
> >Have you considered the fact that your own doctor might be out of touch
> >with the current treatment programs? Most Diabetics these days benefit
> >from a team approach with an endocrinologist, a Diabetic Educator and a
> >specially trained nutritionist.
> >
> >My DH would not see any doctor for his Diabetes who did not have a
> >well-trained and accessible Diabetic Educator.
> >
> >Many patients suffer from what I call "General Practitioner Syndrome"
> >where they are given a diagnosis, a drug, a sheet of paper with a
> >one-size fits all diet, and instructions to test their blood glucose in
> >the morning once a day, if at all. If this is what your doctor has done
> >for you, then perhaps you will learn something here.
>
> My dr. is an endocrinologist. THEY DEAL STRICTLY WITH DIABETICS. All
> the information she has given me has been checked by ME with the ADA
> so yes I do trust her. My sister has a nurse friend who works for the
> ADA and I check on anything my doctor says with her. She has been with
> the ADA for 24 years. Should I trust her????

No. The ADA is a surprisingly bad source of information for type 2
diabetics. Or are you type 1? You haven't given us any information to
go on.

> We don't have any nutritionists here in Fairbanks. I would have to
> travel to Anchorage which is 500 miles south and our insurance won't
> cover the trip or the nutritionist because they charge almost $300 an
> hour.

Priscilla, T2, diet & exercise

Julie Bove · Joined: 26 Jul 2007 Posts: 494

"Anna" wrote in message @4ax.com...

> My dr. is an endocrinologist. THEY DEAL STRICTLY WITH DIABETICS.

That's not true. They also see people with thyroid problems, Cushing's
syndrome and all other forms of endocrine problems.

>All the information she has given me has been checked by ME with the ADA
> so yes I do trust her. My sister has a nurse friend who works for the
> ADA and I check on anything my doctor says with her. She has been with
> the ADA for 24 years. Should I trust her????

I wouldn't trust the ADA for much of anything but taking your money. I've
also been to one VERY bad Endo. and another who was not so great. Both of
them allowed me to run hyper thyroid and I had to suffer the consequenses of
it.

> We don't have any nutritionists here in Fairbanks. I would have to
> travel to Anchorage which is 500 miles south and our insurance won't
> cover the trip or the nutritionist because they charge almost $300 an
> hour.

$300 an hour? That sounds rather excessive. But the consult shouldn't take
an hour. Mine have been anywhere from 10 to 30 minutes.

W. Baker · Joined: 26 Jul 2007 Posts: 97

Janet Wilder wrote:
: Anna wrote:

: > My dr. is an endocrinologist. THEY DEAL STRICTLY WITH DIABETICS. All
: > the information she has given me has been checked by ME with the ADA
: > so yes I do trust her. My sister has a nurse friend who works for the
: > ADA and I check on anything my doctor says with her. She has been with
: > the ADA for 24 years. Should I trust her????

: Personally, I wouldn't. The ADA is notorious for their concentration on
: low-fat and not on the carbohydrates which are the things that make the
: blood glucose numbers high.

: I have plenty of ADA recipes that are so high in carbs that they are
: laughable. Desserts that are 45 grams of carbs (the entire 3 carb-count
: servings permitted in your diet).

: The ADA does some good things and we have been members for many, many
: years, but their recipes are silly.
: --
: Janet Wilder

My dietician, who was no low carber, used to say that you have to just
ignore he recipes in the ADA lay magazine, Diabetes Forcast because they
are all too high in carbs fo rany but diabetics who are engaged in very
heavy manual labor.

Were I to eat the amounts you have had recommended to you, 12 15 gram carb
units a day, I would have such high bg numbers that I would have to take
ffar mor meds than the 1000mgs twice a day of Metformin EX and 1 mg of
amaryl at night to keep myself from having all kinds of diabetic
complications. For me, she recommended 8 15 gram cab units and I foun d
that too much fo rme to handle, so cut back further using my meter as my
guide, checking FBG and after meal readings. In am 20 years a type 2 and
stil wilthout such complications(knock on wood).

Wendy

Julie Bove · Joined: 26 Jul 2007 Posts: 494

"W. Baker" wrote in message $2t7$2@reader2.panix.com...

> My dietician, who was no low carber, used to say that you have to just
> ignore he recipes in the ADA lay magazine, Diabetes Forcast because they
> are all too high in carbs fo rany but diabetics who are engaged in very
> heavy manual labor.
>
> Were I to eat the amounts you have had recommended to you, 12 15 gram carb
> units a day, I would have such high bg numbers that I would have to take
> ffar mor meds than the 1000mgs twice a day of Metformin EX and 1 mg of
> amaryl at night to keep myself from having all kinds of diabetic
> complications. For me, she recommended 8 15 gram cab units and I foun d
> that too much fo rme to handle, so cut back further using my meter as my
> guide, checking FBG and after meal readings. In am 20 years a type 2 and
> stil wilthout such complications(knock on wood).

I've been told that those recipes are intended for people with type 1 who
can shoot insulin to cover the carbs they eat.

Jackie Patti · Joined: 24 Oct 2007 Posts: 61

Anna wrote:

> My dr. is an endocrinologist. THEY DEAL STRICTLY WITH DIABETICS.

Yeah, endos do not just deal with diabetics though; diabetes is the most
common, but not the only endocrine disorder.

> All
> the information she has given me has been checked by ME with the ADA
> so yes I do trust her.

If it were me, I'd check with the AACE rather than the ADA. The AACE is
an association of professional endocrinologists, not just a random group
of whomevers.

The AACE guidelines are evidence-based.

> My sister has a nurse friend who works for the
> ADA and I check on anything my doctor says with her. She has been with
> the ADA for 24 years. Should I trust her????

Well, I read what the ADA had to say 20 years ago and absolutely decided
not to trust them myself. YMMV.

--
http://www.ornery-geeks.org/consulting/

Rubaiyat of Omar Bradley · Joined: 05 Dec 2007 Posts: 6

On Dec 26 2007, 9:25 am, Anna wrote:
> Mine doesn't go way way way up. It is called MODERATION.
> And knowing when to stop.
> Medicine controls my sugar levels.

Would you mind disclosing your most recent A1C level?