Foodmakers Feeding Off Low-Carb Craze

Julie Bove · Joined: 26 Jul 2007 Posts: 106

"Beav" wrote in message$YV1.2201@newsfep4-winn.server.ntli.net...
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> > "Peanutjake" wrote in message
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> > > Foodmakers Feeding Off Low-Carb Craze
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> > Yeah. I wonder how long it will take for this to go the way of low fat,
> oat
> > bran, and all the other food fads.
>
> I don't get the "going the way of" statement at all. Low fat is the way to
> go if you've got heart problems, and oat bran has ALWAYS been good for
your
> "lower end", and I've not seen much evidence of either disappearing.

I didn't say that eating a low fat diet was bad for you. And maybe the
products available to you in the U.K are different than what we have here.
But for the past several years, manufacturers have been touting low fat
things like cookies, pastries and crackers. Since they take the fat out,
they taste terrible so sugar is added. In my opinion, this doesn't make
them any healthier for you. They're still junk food! Yet, people were told
to eat "low fat" so they were eating these things, and often an entire
package at a time!

The oat bran thing was back in the late 70's/early 80's where they said oat
bran lowered cholesterol. Suddenly, oat bran was in everything! And
sometimes in things you wouldn't want it to be in. Then just as suddenly
they discovered that their research had been faulty and that oat bran did
not lower cholesterol. Now nobody wanted those products with the added oat
bran and the prices were slashed. I have an oat bran cookbook that I
purchased for 10 cents.

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Type 2
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Beav · Joined: 26 Jul 2007 Posts: 16

"Judy_Gee" wrote in message@posting.google.com...
> Sadly, there is no free lunch, but I have to say that the low carb
> craze may have something for us diabetics.
>
> Looking at the labels (and sticking to ice cream for now) the low-carb
> ice cream is relatively high in fat (at least compared to the low fat
> stuff).
>
> If you divide nutrition into three groups: protein, fat, carbohydrate
> (and there are a lot of other ways to do this) and assume that
> protein+fat+carbohydrate=100 percent of the product, then when you CUT
> one of the components, one or both of the others have to go up.

Amazing lesson in maths there Judy:-)))

Beav

Beav · Joined: 26 Jul 2007 Posts: 16

"Julie Bove" wrote in message@corp.supernews.com...
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> "Peanutjake" wrote in message
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> > Foodmakers Feeding Off Low-Carb Craze
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> Yeah. I wonder how long it will take for this to go the way of low fat,
oat
> bran, and all the other food fads.

I don't get the "going the way of" statement at all. Low fat is the way to
go if you've got heart problems, and oat bran has ALWAYS been good for your
"lower end", and I've not seen much evidence of either disappearing.

Beav

W. Baker · Joined: 26 Jul 2007 Posts: 97

In alt.support.diabetes Mack wrote:
: On 22 Jan 2004 04:27:44 -0800, junkmailjudy@netscape.net (Judy_Gee)
: wrote:

: >Sadly, there is no free lunch, but I have to say that the low carb
: >craze may have something for us diabetics.
: >
: >Looking at the labels (and sticking to ice cream for now) the low-carb
: >ice cream is relatively high in fat (at least compared to the low fat
: >stuff).
: >
: >If you divide nutrition into three groups: protein, fat, carbohydrate
: >(and there are a lot of other ways to do this) and assume that
: >protein+fat+carbohydrate=100 percent of the product, then when you CUT
: >one of the components, one or both of the others have to go up.
: >
: >Judy G

: no they don't. If you check the Eddie's Grand Ice sugar free
: sweetened with Splenda the regular sugar free has the same fat content
: as the regular with sugar. comparing a non fat brand to a regular fat
: brand because both are sugar free does not support this statement.
: Eddy's makes both regular sugar free and low fat sugar free ice cream.
: Compare low fat to low fat for an accurate picture.

: Mack
: Type 1 since 1975
: http://www.alt-support-diabetes.org
: http://www.insulin-pumpers.org

: In tribute to the United States of America and the State
: of Israel, two bastions of strength in a world filled with strife and
: terrorism.

Mack, I think with the Edy's it is a low fat not sugar added and a no fat
no sugar added they make. What is the interesting thing is that the
dalorie count for both is the same and the mo fat has higher carbs, as
they have to put something in to thicken it up some. I but the low fat
and enjoy the fewer carbs and nice taste, unlike the plastic taste of the
no fat.

The only full fat ice cream-no sugar added is the Breyer's lo-carb ice
cream. I have not tried it as the carb difference is not so great and why
ea that much more milkfat?

Wendy

Evelyn Ruut · Joined: 26 Jul 2007 Posts: 2

"W. Baker" wrote in message$bf5$1@reader2.panix.com...
> In alt.support.diabetes Mack wrote:
> : On 22 Jan 2004 04:27:44 -0800, junkmailjudy@netscape.net (Judy_Gee)
> : wrote:
>
> : >Sadly, there is no free lunch, but I have to say that the low carb
> : >craze may have something for us diabetics.
> : >
> : >Looking at the labels (and sticking to ice cream for now) the low-carb
> : >ice cream is relatively high in fat (at least compared to the low fat
> : >stuff).
> : >
> : >If you divide nutrition into three groups: protein, fat, carbohydrate
> : >(and there are a lot of other ways to do this) and assume that
> : >protein+fat+carbohydrate=100 percent of the product, then when you CUT
> : >one of the components, one or both of the others have to go up.
> : >
> : >Judy G
>
>
> : no they don't. If you check the Eddie's Grand Ice sugar free
> : sweetened with Splenda the regular sugar free has the same fat content
> : as the regular with sugar. comparing a non fat brand to a regular fat
> : brand because both are sugar free does not support this statement.
> : Eddy's makes both regular sugar free and low fat sugar free ice cream.
> : Compare low fat to low fat for an accurate picture.
>
> : Mack
> : Type 1 since 1975
> : http://www.alt-support-diabetes.org
> : http://www.insulin-pumpers.org
>
> : In tribute to the United States of America and the State
> : of Israel, two bastions of strength in a world filled with strife and
> : terrorism.
>
> Mack, I think with the Edy's it is a low fat not sugar added and a no fat
> no sugar added they make. What is the interesting thing is that the
> dalorie count for both is the same and the mo fat has higher carbs, as
> they have to put something in to thicken it up some. I but the low fat
> and enjoy the fewer carbs and nice taste, unlike the plastic taste of the
> no fat.
>
> The only full fat ice cream-no sugar added is the Breyer's lo-carb ice
> cream. I have not tried it as the carb difference is not so great and why
> ea that much more milkfat?
>
> Wendy

Wendy, I was always a Breyers fan, but their no sugar added ice cream is
awful. I have no idea why.

--
Evelyn

(To reply to me personally, remove sox)

>

Jmmbear · Joined: 26 Jul 2007 Posts: 48

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>Problem is, other than the truly low-carb foods, what people who eat
>the low-effective-carb foods are doing is replacing the sweet provided
>by sugars with the sweet provided by sugar alcohols and artificial
>sweetners.
That is because people have become so accustomed to VERY sweet things..
I find that most regular foods are too sweet for me now..
Many of these items have been switching to splenda which is Not a sugar
alchohol, but actually made from sugar... So not a bad susitute.. But either
way we eat way to much sugar anyway..

Some/many people think they can eat lots - and think,
>consequently, that they can have their usual "sweet" and
>weight-reduction.

People need to realize that it is like anything else Moderation.. Just because
it says lowcarb is not a licence to overeat and overindulge anything.

Unfortunately, many of the sugar-alcohol foods are
>as calorie-dense as their old-fashioned sugar-containing ancestors.
>Once people realize that they are not losing weight with THIS TYPE of
>low-carb, will the demand for low-carb in general continue or go the
>way of another failed fad?
>
Well, I lost 30lbs on it, but I learned very early on that I cannot eat great
amounts of these candys without there being a bill to pay.. Much of lowcarb is
just learning to eat properly again.. Fresh veggies, fish, chicken, fruit.. I
think that it isnt going to go away any time soon.. For that Im glad..It has
made the transition for me so much easier..

>(Also, are sugar alcohol and artificial sweetners are "healthy" foods?
>Are people going to experience problems -other than flat wallets -
>from their increased and extended use? If so, how will this affect
>the low-carb market?)
>
>Rose
>T2
Since sugar itself isnt exactly a healthy food, what is the difference? kwim?
We eat tons more sugar a year than we ever did.. We eat tons more junk food
than we ever did years ago.. We eat tons of quick/fast/unhealthy food all in
the name of convenience and speed.. So this just levels the playing field a
bit..

As always YMMV and this is JMO
Jeanne Type 2 Diagnosed 05/28/02
189/154/120

Judy_Gee · Joined: 26 Jul 2007 Posts: 2

> That was always my argument against low-fat milk (yuck!) - "low-fat"
> probably means "high carbohydrate". But then I realised it's not true.
> "low-fat" could just mean "high water". And "low carbohydrate" could
> just mean they fill it up with sawdust (or whatever).

You make an interesting point: fiber shows up in the labels as a
subset of carbohydrate. I remember when hi-fiber was trendy, and
manufacturers were adding "fiber" to foods. Some of foods which you
wouldn't expect to have fiber, like vanilla ice cream. I have NO idea
what they added, and I think I'm better off in ignorance. Judy Gee

Beav · Joined: 26 Jul 2007 Posts: 16

"Pete" wrote in message@4ax.com...
> On Thu, 22 Jan 2004 17:58:29 -0500, "Lance-A-Lot"
> wrote:
> >"Beav" wrote in message
> >$YV1.2201@newsfep4-winn.server.ntli.net...
> >> "Julie Bove" wrote in message
> >> @corp.supernews.com...
> >> > "Peanutjake" wrote in message
> >> > $jp3rh$1@ID-134303.news.uni-berlin.de...
> >> > > Foodmakers Feeding Off Low-Carb Craz
> >> >
> >> > Yeah. I wonder how long it will take for this to go the way of low
fat,
> >> oat
> >> > bran, and all the other food fads.
> >> I don't get the "going the way of" statement at all. Low fat is the way
to
> >> go if you've got heart problems, and oat bran has ALWAYS been good for
your
> >> "lower end", and I've not seen much evidence of either disappearing.
> >> Beav
>
> >I must agree with you Beav. IMHO I haven't seen much evidence of my
"lower
> >end" disappearing either.
>
> Mine did last month...........must lay off the sprouts.....

Noooo, keep the sprouts. I contemplated a sprout butty the other night, but
I thought that was taking things just a bit too far Smile

Beav

Beav · Joined: 26 Jul 2007 Posts: 16

"Julie Bove" wrote in message@corp.supernews.com...
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> > > > Foodmakers Feeding Off Low-Carb Craze
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Yeah. I wonder how long it will take for this to go the way of low
fat,
> > oat
> > > bran, and all the other food fads.
> >
> > I don't get the "going the way of" statement at all. Low fat is the way
to
> > go if you've got heart problems, and oat bran has ALWAYS been good for
> your
> > "lower end", and I've not seen much evidence of either disappearing.
>
> I didn't say that eating a low fat diet was bad for you.

No yo didn't, but you DID infer that low fat diets have made an exit. I
still see PLENTY of low fat foods at the supermarkets and low fat food ads
on TV, which is why I said I don't understand yur statement.

And maybe the
> products available to you in the U.K are different than what we have here.

It's a possibility.

> But for the past several years, manufacturers have been touting low fat
> things like cookies, pastries and crackers. Since they take the fat out,
> they taste terrible so sugar is added. In my opinion, this doesn't make
> them any healthier for you.

It doesn't if you're diabetic, but it does if your particular "interest" is
in hearts and arteries. (supposedly anyway:-)

They're still junk food! Yet, people were told
> to eat "low fat" so they were eating these things, and often an entire
> package at a time!

Yeah well that's not REALLY the fault of the food so much as the fault of
the feeder is it?

>
> The oat bran thing was back in the late 70's/early 80's where they said
oat
> bran lowered cholesterol. Suddenly, oat bran was in everything! And
> sometimes in things you wouldn't want it to be in. Then just as suddenly
> they discovered that their research had been faulty and that oat bran did
> not lower cholesterol. Now nobody wanted those products with the added
oat
> bran and the prices were slashed. I have an oat bran cookbook that I
> purchased for 10 cents.

Boil it with a little salt, add some Worcesteshire sauce and you're off and
running (to the bog probably:-)

Beav

W. Baker · Joined: 26 Jul 2007 Posts: 97

In alt.support.diabetes Mack wrote:
: On Thu, 22 Jan 2004 23:10:10 +0000 (UTC), "W. Baker"
: wrote:

: >In alt.support.diabetes Mack wrote:
: >: On 22 Jan 2004 04:27:44 -0800, junkmailjudy@netscape.net (Judy_Gee)
: >: wrote:
k: >
: >
: >: no they don't. If you check the Eddie's Grand Ice sugar free
: >: sweetened with Splenda the regular sugar free has the same fat content
: >: as the regular with sugar. comparing a non fat brand to a regular fat
: >: brand because both are sugar free does not support this statement.
: >: Eddy's makes both regular sugar free and low fat sugar free ice cream.
: >: Compare low fat to low fat for an accurate picture.
: >
: >: Mack
: >: Type 1 since 1975
: >: http://www.alt-support-diabetes.org
: >: http://www.insulin-pumpers.org
: >
: >: In tribute to the United States of America and the State
: >: of Israel, two bastions of strength in a world filled with strife and
: >: terrorism.
: >
: >Mack, I think with the Edy's it is a low fat not sugar added and a no fat
: >no sugar added they make. What is the interesting thing is that the
: >dalorie count for both is the same and the mo fat has higher carbs, as
: >they have to put something in to thicken it up some. I but the low fat
: >and enjoy the fewer carbs and nice taste, unlike the plastic taste of the
: >no fat.
: >
: >The only full fat ice cream-no sugar added is the Breyer's lo-carb ice
: >cream. I have not tried it as the carb difference is not so great and why
: >ea that much more milkfat?
: >
: >Wendy

: I checked this already, Edy's make a regular fat content no sugar
: added as well as the low and no fat.

: Mack
: Type 1 since 1975
: http://www.alt-support-diabetes.org
: http://www.insulin-pumpers.org

: In tribute to the United States of America and the State
: of Israel, two bastions of strength in a world filled with strife and
: terrorism.

this must be a new variety that has not shown up in my local stores. It
may be a response to the low-carb-high fat craze. It would have to be
extremely low in carb for me to want to take all the extra fat, but might
be nice for a treat. I am now quite used to the taste and texture of the
low-fat-no sugar added.

Wendy

W. Baker · Joined: 26 Jul 2007 Posts: 97

In alt.support.diabetes Evelyn Ruut wrote:

: "W. Baker" wrote in message
: $bf5$1@reader2.panix.com...
: > In alt.support.diabetes Mack wrote:
: > : On 22 Jan 2004 04:27:44 -0800, junkmailjudy@netscape.net (Judy_Gee)
: > : wrote:
: > The only full fat ice cream-no sugar added is the Breyer's lo-carb ice
: > cream. I have not tried it as the carb difference is not so great and why
: > ea that much more milkfat?
: >
: > Wendy

: Wendy, I was always a Breyers fan, but their no sugar added ice cream is
: awful. I have no idea why.

: --
: Evelyn

Yes, I know. It tastes both watery and grainy. The Edys has a much nicer
texture.

Wendy

Peanutjake · Joined: 26 Jul 2007 Posts: 32

"W. Baker" wrote
>
> The only full fat ice cream-no sugar added is the Breyer's lo-carb ice
> cream. I have not tried it as the carb difference is not so great and why
> ea that much more milkfat?
>
> Wendy

Bryer's is 4 net grams of carb in a 1/2 cup serving.

When I limit myself to just 1/2 cup it has no effect on my blood readings.

PJ

Peanutjake · Joined: 26 Jul 2007 Posts: 32

"W. Baker" wrote in message $sat$2@reader2.panix.com...
> In alt.support.diabetes Evelyn Ruut wrote:
>
> : "W. Baker" wrote in message
> : $bf5$1@reader2.panix.com...
> : > In alt.support.diabetes Mack wrote:
> : > : On 22 Jan 2004 04:27:44 -0800, junkmailjudy@netscape.net (Judy_Gee)
> : > : wrote:
> : > The only full fat ice cream-no sugar added is the Breyer's lo-carb ice
> : > cream. I have not tried it as the carb difference is not so great and why
> : > ea that much more milkfat?
> : >
> : > Wendy
>
> : Wendy, I was always a Breyers fan, but their no sugar added ice cream is
> : awful. I have no idea why.
>
> : --
> : Evelyn
>
> Yes, I know. It tastes both watery and grainy. The Edys has a much nicer
> texture.
>
> Wendy

Forget the no fat, low fat, no sugar ice cream.
What a diabetic needs is Low Carb ice cream.
Bryer's Low Carb tastes great.Just like regular ice cream.
PJ

Evelyn Ruut · Joined: 26 Jul 2007 Posts: 2

"Peanutjake" wrote in message$7me0q$1@ID-134303.news.uni-berlin.de...
>
> "W. Baker" wrote in message$sat$2@reader2.panix.com...
> > In alt.support.diabetes Evelyn Ruut wrote:
> >
> > : "W. Baker" wrote in message
> > : $bf5$1@reader2.panix.com...
> > : > In alt.support.diabetes Mack wrote:
> > : > : On 22 Jan 2004 04:27:44 -0800, junkmailjudy@netscape.net
(Judy_Gee)
> > : > : wrote:
> > : > The only full fat ice cream-no sugar added is the Breyer's lo-carb
ice
> > : > cream. I have not tried it as the carb difference is not so great
and why
> > : > ea that much more milkfat?
> > : >
> > : > Wendy
> >
> > : Wendy, I was always a Breyers fan, but their no sugar added ice cream
is
> > : awful. I have no idea why.
> >
> > : --
> > : Evelyn
> >
> > Yes, I know. It tastes both watery and grainy. The Edys has a much
nicer
> > texture.
> >
> > Wendy
>
> Forget the no fat, low fat, no sugar ice cream.
> What a diabetic needs is Low Carb ice cream.
> Bryer's Low Carb tastes great.Just like regular ice cream.
> PJ

Hi Jake,

I have tried Perry's, Edy's, Blue Bunny, and Breyers.... all their "no sugar
added" flavors and honestly I thought the Blue Bunny brand was the tastiest.
I like plain old vanilla, so that may be the catch.

--
Evelyn

(To reply to me personally, remove sox)

Peanutjake · Joined: 26 Jul 2007 Posts: 32

"Evelyn Ruut" wrote
> > Forget the no fat, low fat, no sugar ice cream.
> > What a diabetic needs is Low Carb ice cream.
> > Bryer's Low Carb tastes great.Just like regular ice cream.
> > PJ
>
> Hi Jake,
>
> I have tried Perry's, Edy's, Blue Bunny, and Breyers.... all their "no sugar
> added" flavors and honestly I thought the Blue Bunny brand was the tastiest.
> I like plain old vanilla, so that may be the catch.
>
> Evelyn

Evelyn, No Sugar many times means high carb.
Bryers sugar free ice cream has more carbs than their regular ice cream..

Look for Low Carb Ice Cream. That mean 4 grams of carb or less in a serving.

Bryers make a good low carb ice cream and Turkey Hill is coming out with their version. There may be
others.

PJ