Hi.... can someone help.........

W. Baker · Joined: 26 Jul 2007 Posts: 97

In alt.support.diabetes Ozgirl wrote:
: L. Conrad wrote:

: > He checks his blood once or twice a day and has been on
: indictable
: > insulin

: Did you spellchecker have a mind of its own here? Wink

Yeah, what's the offence of that poor insulin?

Wendy-The group's crackerjack (or should I say crackpot) typist

Archived from group: alt>food>diabetic

W. Baker · Joined: 26 Jul 2007 Posts: 97

In alt.support.diabetes L. Conrad wrote:

: That's why I am asking for information from the horse's mouths so to speak.
: I was impressed by my BIL's continued good health on a low carb diet for all
: these many years. He was the one who peaked my interest in looking into diet
: and diabetes where my other friends from church with the disease were
: concerned.

I woudl be interested to know just how low a carb diet your BIL eats.
Many of us here find that moderate carbs, in the vicinity of less than 12-
or less than 100 a day works for us. Very few, indeed, look at a 30 carb
gram a day diet as our preference or very desireable as a life-long way of
eating. Some seem to have more trouble dealing with carbs than others and
some dont' like taking meds to such a degree that they may well try this
kind of very low carb diet.

Certainly, in dealing with your friends, this kind of suggestion would not
be welcome, as it is a very restrictive regemin that would be very hard to
follow for most of us here for more than 2 weeks or so and particularly
for people who are not used to limiting themselves. Probably, your best
bet with people who are that resistnt to advice as your friends seem to
be(not fllowing doctors' advice, etc) might be finding some real scary
statistics on diabetes complications like blindness, amupation, heart
attack and stroke and total kidney failure. Then you can talk about th
possibility of avoiding these by diet adn exercise,. just getting these
folks to avoid the white starches, bread, pasta, rice, etc, would be a
good start. I don't have a great deal of hope that they will listen to
you or even our responses, but it is very nice for you to want to be a
good friend and try.

Wendy

W. Baker · Joined: 26 Jul 2007 Posts: 97

In alt.support.diabetes DonnaB shallotpeel wrote:
: In alt.support.diabetes on Thu, 25 Jan 2007 22:09:36 +0000 (UTC) in
Msg.#
: , "W. Baker" wrote:

: > In alt.support.diabetes Ozgirl wrote:
: > : L. Conrad wrote:
: >
: > : > He checks his blood once or twice a day and has been on
: > : indictable > : > insulin
: >
: > : Did you spellchecker have a mind of its own here? Wink

: >
: > Yeah, what's the offence of that poor insulin?

: Why, insolence, of course.

: --
: DonnaB 09-11-06 hbA1C 5.0
: 06-07-06 Diagnosis T2 hbA1C 8.1, D&E & Metformin 500mg.
: 09-11-06 hbA1C 5.0

Smile

Wendy

Ozgirl · Joined: 26 Jul 2007 Posts: 102

L. Conrad wrote:

> He checks his blood once or twice a day and has been on
indictable
> insulin

Did you spellchecker have a mind of its own here? Wink

Nicky · Joined: 26 Jul 2007 Posts: 102

On Thu, 25 Jan 2007 17:13:20 -0500, "rk"
wrote:

>"W. Baker" wrote in message
>$5nh$1@reader2.panix.com...
>: In alt.support.diabetes Ozgirl wrote:
>:: L. Conrad wrote:
>:
>:: > He checks his blood once or twice a day and has been on
>:: indictable
>:: > insulin
>:
>:: Did you spellchecker have a mind of its own here? Wink

>:
>: Yeah, what's the offence of that poor insulin?
>:
>
>too hormonal........................

Reisa! You owe me some screen wipes Very Happy

Nicky.
>
>

rk · Joined: 26 Jul 2007 Posts: 8

"Nicky" wrote in message @4ax.com...
: On Thu, 25 Jan 2007 17:13:20 -0500, "rk"
: wrote:
:
: >"W. Baker" wrote in message
: >$5nh$1@reader2.panix.com...
: >: In alt.support.diabetes Ozgirl wrote:
: >:: L. Conrad wrote:
: >:
: >:: > He checks his blood once or twice a day and has been on
: >:: indictable
: >:: > insulin
: >:
: >:: Did you spellchecker have a mind of its own here? Wink

: >:
: >: Yeah, what's the offence of that poor insulin?
: >:
: >
: >too hormonal........................
:
: Reisa! You owe me some screen wipes Very Happy

:
: Nicky.
: >
: >

LOL I'll email them right out to you... I was wondering if ANYONE was
going to get that... .

Reisa

L. Conrad · Joined: 26 Jul 2007 Posts: 11

"rk" wrote in message @wideopenwest.com...
> "L. Conrad" wrote in message
> @x-privat.org...
> : Can that be explained somehow? I was under the impression that fats and
> : protein do not raise the GB to abnormal levels.
>
> fats do not, but protein will convert into glucose about 5-6hrs after you
> eat it
> and it will cause a rise. some might show none, because they have enough
> insulin to cover it, others might show some, others might see quite a bit
> of
> a
> rise. If I eat a 7oz steak and go to bed with a glucose of 90, unless I
> combo
> bolus on my pump, I'll see 200+ easy the next morning from the rise from
> the
> converted protein.

Thank you, I understand now. I was under the impression glucose was only
converted from protein if there was almost no carbs in the diet. My
mistake.

L. Conrad · Joined: 26 Jul 2007 Posts: 11

"W. Baker" wrote in message $92f$1@reader2.panix.com...
> In alt.support.diabetes L. Conrad wrote:
>
> : That's why I am asking for information from the horse's mouths so to
> speak.
> : I was impressed by my BIL's continued good health on a low carb diet for
> all
> : these many years. He was the one who peaked my interest in looking into
> diet
> : and diabetes where my other friends from church with the disease were
> : concerned.
>
>
> I woudl be interested to know just how low a carb diet your BIL eats.
> Many of us here find that moderate carbs, in the vicinity of less than 12-
> or less than 100 a day works for us. Very few, indeed, look at a 30 carb
> gram a day diet as our preference or very desireable as a life-long way of
> eating. Some seem to have more trouble dealing with carbs than others and
> some dont' like taking meds to such a degree that they may well try this
> kind of very low carb diet.

He is on between 40 and 60g carbs a day. Those being from vegetables and
fruit only. Occasionally he will cheat as he says and have a dinner roll or
perhaps a small piece of pie during the holidays. It may not be the most
desirable diet one can be on but he does want to remain as healthy as
possible until the Grim Reaper comes for him (as he puts it).

> Certainly, in dealing with your friends, this kind of suggestion would not
> be welcome, as it is a very restrictive regemin that would be very hard to
> follow for most of us here for more than 2 weeks or so and particularly
> for people who are not used to limiting themselves.

This is believe is part of the problem even with heart patients. At my age
you start to see many friends developing serious health problems. Some of
those with heart disease will not follow the diets given them either. No
one wants to sacrifice for their health. One non diabetic friend who has
already had a heart attack is taking cholesterol lowering drugs because she
refuses to give up her Big Macs, fatty spare ribs, T-bone steaks, French
fries (trans fats) etc. She told me, "My insurance company is paying for
the drugs so why should I give up the foods I love?" I had no reply for
her. She recently suffered another serious bout of chest pain. I can see
another by-pass in her future. Why the heck are people so unwilling to
change their eating habits?

Probably, your best
> bet with people who are that resistnt to advice as your friends seem to
> be(not fllowing doctors' advice, etc) might be finding some real scary
> statistics on diabetes complications like blindness, amupation, heart
> attack and stroke and total kidney failure.
Then you can talk about th
> possibility of avoiding these by diet adn exercise,. just getting these
> folks to avoid the white starches, bread, pasta, rice, etc, would be a
> good start. I don't have a great deal of hope that they will listen to
> you or even our responses, but it is very nice for you to want to be a
> good friend and try.

Thank you. If I can only persuade one or two of them to take more
responsibility for their own health I will be happy.

>
> Wendy
>

L. Conrad · Joined: 26 Jul 2007 Posts: 11

"DonnaB shallotpeel" wrote in message @4ax.com...
> There are numerous 'tests' on the web - and some doctor's offices have
> them
> as software - where you calculate your age by your health risks. And, many
> of them show you how many years you could get back from that estimate by
> doing 'x' thing, whether that be diet, exercise, stopping smoking, ...
> whatever. That kind of thing might be illustrative to them.

That's a good idea. I'll try and borrow someone's laptop.........

L. Conrad · Joined: 26 Jul 2007 Posts: 11

"Ozgirl" wrote in message @news.supernews.com...
> L. Conrad wrote:
>
>> He checks his blood once or twice a day and has been on
> indictable
>> insulin
>
> Did you spellchecker have a mind of its own here? Wink

>

Yes it did.

rk · Joined: 26 Jul 2007 Posts: 8

"Alan Moorman" wrote in message @4ax.com...
: On Thu, 25 Jan 2007 17:18:25 -0500, "rk"
: wrote:
:
: >"L. Conrad" wrote in message
: >@x-privat.org...
: >:
: >: "Julie Bove" wrote in message
: >: $gS1.22393@trndny01...
: >: >
: >:
: >:
: >: > Low carb diets work for some people but not all. And some people
(like
: >: > me) do not feel at all well on it. I certainly do not eat all carb
: >laden
: >: > foods, nor did I eat them all prior to diabetes. I do limit my
: >portions.
: >: > In fact when I did try low carbing, my BG shot up even higher than it
: >: > would have on my limited carb diet.
: >:
: >: Can that be explained somehow? I was under the impression that fats and
: >: protein do not raise the GB to abnormal levels.
: >
: >fats do not, but protein will convert into glucose about 5-6hrs after you
: >eat it
: >and it will cause a rise. some might show none, because they have enough
: >insulin to cover it, others might show some, others might see quite a bit
of
: >a
: >rise. If I eat a 7oz steak and go to bed with a glucose of 90, unless I
: >combo
: >bolus on my pump, I'll see 200+ easy the next morning from the rise from
the
: >converted protein.
: >
:
: Everything I've read on this subject says that your early
: morning high bG has nothing to do with the steak you ate,
: and everything to do with the normal "morning effect" which
: your body does because you haven't eaten anything for
: several hours.
:
: The basic fact is that, after 3 or 4 hours of no new food
: coming in, your body (the liver, actually) says: "Hmmm. we
: need some more glucose in the blood." and starts pulling
: from your body's fat stores and converting the fat to bG so
: your body can keep running OK.
:
: In a non-diabetic person, the usual thing happens, and your
: bG doesn't go high.
:
: If you have diabetes, however, you need more insulin to
: counteract the high bG.
:
: So, your morning high bG is not from the steak, it's from
: your body's normal response to not eating any food for
: several hours.
:
: We all have this problem to one degree or another. . .
:
: Alan
:

You must be a T2. The basic fact is that after 5-6hrs of eating
protein it is now being processed as glucose from the body. Well
58% of it. This is what EVERY diabetic book for T1's I've read that
are correct such as from John Walsh's "Pumping Insulin" --- I no longer
have DP because of correct pump settings. I can go to bed at 90 and
wake to 90 UNLESS I have protein.

--
Reisa, T1
dx-5/00 asd-7/00
Animas IR1250 pumper
Daily CHO: 150-200gm
TDD: 36-38u
Last A1C: Rising! oPPs!

Cheri · Joined: 26 Jul 2007 Posts: 93

Hell, that whole hog works for me, though I am getting a little old to
chase em down, and that sueeeeeeeeeeey just ain't bringin em to the BBQ
like it used to. Wink

Cheri

Susan wrote in message

...
>Yeah; a side of beef at bedtime doesn't appeal to me, oddly enough.

Chris Malcolm · Joined: 26 Jul 2007 Posts: 1

In alt.support.diabetes L. Conrad wrote:

> "Nicky" wrote in message
> @4ax.com...
>> On Wed, 24 Jan 2007 11:48:11 -0600, "L. Conrad"
>> wrote:
>>
>>>Your replies will be printed and given to them this coming weekend.
>>
>> For the record, I'm doing the same thing as your BIL, and feel great.
>> But I think you're more likely to lose friends than change minds by
>> trying to get people to change their diet...

> Fear not, I will not cram the issue down their throats. We had a discussion
> at one meeting concerning diseases like diabetes and heart disease and how
> they're related to diet and exercise. I told them I would ask on the "the
> net" and report back to them. I come from a small town area where many
> people my age lack interest in learning how to use a computer. Using
> computers is another thing I am trying to get them interested in.

>> How about working on the exercise part of the equation instead? A walk
>> an hour after eating can make a big difference to blood glucose
>> levels. So could a bowling game, or a swim, or a trip to the gym...

> That will also be covered this weekend. It appears that many older folks are
> no more interested in starting an exercise program then they are in changing
> their eating habits.

I'm 63 and all my life have always found it terribly hard to keep up
an exercise programme. I've joined a gym twice, and never went more
than four times.

So I get my exercise by taking advantage of opportunities in my
life. I do my food shopping by bicycle. I never take elevators. I
often run up & down stairs. I mow my lawns with a push mower. I mostly
avoid the use of power tools. And so on.

I recall when my mother was living in a retirement home. She lived up
one flight of stairs, but always took the elevator. After a few years
she was completely unable to get up that one flight. My sister wanted
to take her on a cruise, but couldn't afford cabins without stair only
access. So we persuaded Mum to start trying to go up the stairs. She
was to walk up as far as she could manage, sit down for a rest, then
walk back down & take the elevator up.

It took both of days to persuade her to try this. She was convinced
she was too old and it would just be a lot of miserable painful
struggling for nothing. I think she started just to stop us nagging
her Smile

But once she started doing it she noticed that every few days
she'd manage to get up another step or two. After some weeks she began
to realise it was really going to be possible to work up to doing the
entire flight, and became really enthusiastic.

She went on the cruise, and managed the steep cabin staircases fine.

--
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IPAB, Informatics, JCMB, King's Buildings, Edinburgh, EH9 3JZ, UK
[http://www.dai.ed.ac.uk/homes/cam/]

Gantlet · Joined: 26 Jul 2007 Posts: 3

"Michael "Dog3" Lonergan" wrote in message
> Right now I'm having an issue and have yet to tell my doctor about it.
> I'll have to knuckle down and see him next week. I think I am developing
> diabet neuropathay(sp) in my right leg. My left leg is just beginning to
> do the same.
>
> Michael

Sorry to read about your problems. My pains are just about all but gone.
Yesterday I took the longest walk in a months.
Today for the first time on my stationary bike I am advancing to the next
level.
Level 2 anyway Smile

. for me stretching and doing cardio really seem to be
working. the flexibility in my diabetic frozen shoulder is once again even
with the other and while I have to start working out as if i have never done
it before.
I am once again feeling great that I can work out.
if you doctor recommends certain exercise I strongly suggest you try your
best to do it.

Tom

Jackie Patti · Joined: 24 Oct 2007 Posts: 61

L. Conrad wrote:

> Can a diabetic, already on insulin control their blood-sugar better by
> adopting a very low carb, or near no carb diet?

Yes. Large doses of carb require large doses of insulin to cover them;
the larger the doses, the more room for error. It's much easier to
avoid both hyperglycemia and hypoglycemia with the smallest possible
doses of both carbs and insulin. Tight control of blood glucose greatly
reduces the chances of diabetic complicaitons such as kidney damage,
heart disease, impotence, blindness and amputation.

> Can a diabetic who adopts a low carb diet improve their blood values and
> need LESS insulin?

Yes. Absolutely. Sugar raises blood triglycerides and LDL and lowers
HDL. Further, high bg causes blood proteins to become glycoslyated,
greatly increasing the risk of heart disease much moreso than cholesterol.

> Would the need for less insulin be better for their general health?

Yes. High serum levels of insulin have been implicated in a number of
serious diseases. There is no evidence that the injected stuff is any
healthier than the homemade kind. Reducing insulin usage is a good thing.

> Can a diabetic slowly lower their carb levels to see if less insulin is
> needed?

The diabetic would either need to understand insulin dosing themselves
to do this or need to work with a knowledgable doctor to do this safeky.
But with that caveat, the answer is most definitly yes.

I am a T2 diabetic and when I began on insulin this year, I was taking a
total of over 80 units of total basal and bolus insulin daily. Within a
few months with tight diet control and optimizing my blood glucose
control, I got that cut down to well under 60 units. I've recently
begun on Symlin and cut my doses down even further, to under 45 units.

Less insulin is good, presuming blood glucose control is tightly managed
on the lesser dose.

Really, it depends on what someone wants. I personally consider
skipping pasta and potatoes to be more than worthwhile to avoid another
heart attack. I have family members who do not consider it nearly as
worthwhile though.

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