Hypo/Diabetic

trish_5 · Joined: 26 Jul 2007 Posts: 15

On Jul 21, 11:22 am, Susan wrote:
> x-no-archive: yes
>
> tris...@msn.com wrote:
> > BC 127
> > I am sitting this one out. I quit cleaning until i feel better. I
> > will take 1 g tab if it does not quit soon.
> > Please do not give up on me, I have read so much this week, I am
> > having a hard time remembering
> > everything. I will get this right, and I refuse to go on medication
> > if I can get this under control.
>
> Trish, no one is going to give up on you! You might want to move this
> over to alt.support.diabetes, though. THe group we're on is a recipe
> group. Smile

>
> > I am on Beta blockers, does that medication cause my body to react a
> > different way than if
> > i was not on it?
>
> Yes, beta blockers do screw with blood glucose levels. If you must be
> on a bp drug, an ARB or ACE would be a better choice. But low carbing
> usually drops bp, too, so be watchful for lethargy and dizziness on low
> carb with a beta blocker. Discuss the impact on bg of the bb with your doc.
>
> I have read some things on that. I asked the Dr and
>
> > the D Educator and they
> > both said no.
>
> They were wrong or they were absent the day it was addressed in school.
>
> One more thing i have noticed, and maybe its my
>
> > imagination, but when I get like
> > this and my feet and hands start cramping up, i seem to produce so
> > much salavia, is that
> > something to do with diabetics?
>
> No, but I think it has to do with potassium loss and adrenal function,
> which is suppressed by insulin.
>
> > Dr just looks at me like im crazy.
>
> Osler is spinning in his grave, I'm sure.
>
> > Maybe I am or maybe
> > this goes back to my vitamin D being so low and my parathyroid tests
> > that come in low and
> > then normal? Anyone know?
>
> Trish, you need to be evaluated for pituitary adrenal function.
>
> Susan

is it the support diabetes where chat needs to be?
trish

Archived from group: alt>food>diabetic

Alan S · Joined: 26 Jul 2007 Posts: 134

On Sat, 21 Jul 2007 07:04:54 -0700, trish_5@msn.com wrote:

>On Jul 20, 8:04 pm, Janet Wilder wrote:
>> tris...@msn.com wrote:
>>
>> > coping this word for word, if i eat three times per day.
>>
>> > Breakfast:
>>
>> > 3-4 carb choices 45-60 carbs per meal
>> > 0-2 oz of protien (2 eggs or atkins protien shake)
>> > 0-1 fat
>>
>> > Snack:
>> > Yogurt 30 carbs
>> > walnuts 4 halves
>>
>> > Lunch:
>> > 3-4 carb choices
>> > vegtable (like asparagus unlimited)
>> > 2-3 oz of chicken
>> > 1-2 fat choices
>>
>> > Snack:
>> > 2 carb choices
>> > cottage cheese 1/2 cup
>>
>> > Dinner:
>> > 3-4 carb choices
>> > vegtable
>> > 3 oz of meat
>> > baked potato
>> > 1-2 oz of butter
>>
>> > snack:
>> > 1-2 carb choices
>>
>> > any comments? please tell me what you think.
>>
>> > Thanks
>> > Trish
>>
>> FWIW I'm not a Diabetic, just a care-giver to a long-term DM, but I
>> wouldn't eat your diet! I'd be obese!
>>
>> I would suggest that you start with 2 carb choices at each meal and
>> check your blood sugar 2 hours after you eat. That will give you a good
>> idea of how the amount of carbs are effecting you.
>>
>> Try to find healthier snacks. One snack might be a carb choice of fruit,
>> but not more than one choice. The evening snack should contain some
>> peanut butter. It seems to work to prevent liver-dumping for some people.
>>
>> FIND ANOTHER DIETICIAN!
>>
>> --
>> Janet Wilder
>> Bad spelling. Bad punctuation
>> Good Friends. Good Life- Hide quoted text -
>>
>> - Show quoted text -
>
>Good Morning Everyone,
>BC was 117 fasting this morning.
>I had boiled egg and 2 slices of bacon , coffee for Breakfast
>1 hr later my BC is 125.
>I feel really weak and shaky. I am trying not to reach for any
>carbs. Is this correct?
>
>Trish

I'm not sure why you'd be shaky at that number - that all
looks pretty good to me and I doubt you've been high between
breakfast and that reading.

The only reason I can suggest is that you've been high for
far too long and your body still has to get used to more
reasonable BG levels. If you have been following that
ghastly menu from your dietician that's a real possibility.

I presume you've checked that your meter has the right code
or chip (depending on type) in it for your strips; that's a
possibility, but a remote one I'd guess.

I would recommend that you check BG's a little more often
while you go through this phase, just to be sure.

And congratulations on taking that step.

Cheers, Alan, T2, Australia.
d&e, metformin 1500mg, ezetrol 10mg
Everything in Moderation - Except Laughter.
--
http://loraltraveloz.blogspot.com/
latest: Mossman Gorge in the Daintree Rainforest
http://loraldiabetes.blogspot.com/
latest: Self-Testing and Type 2 Management

trish_5 · Joined: 26 Jul 2007 Posts: 15

On Jul 21, 11:49 pm, "Julie Bove" wrote:
> wrote in message
>
> @57g2000hsv.googlegroups.com...
>
> > BC 127
>
> I presume you mean BG. Blood glucose?
>
> > I am sitting this one out. I quit cleaning until i feel better. I
> > will take 1 g tab if it does not quit soon.
> > Please do not give up on me, I have read so much this week, I am
> > having a hard time remembering
> > everything. I will get this right, and I refuse to go on medication
> > if I can get this under control.
> > I am on Beta blockers, does that medication cause my body to react a
> > different way than if
> > i was not on it?
>
> Beta Blockers are not the best thing for a diabetic to use. When I was
> first diagnosed, I was on one and it made my BG very erratic. You should
> ask your Dr. to switch you to an Ace Inhibitor instead. Betal Blockers are
> also thought to bring on diabetes in susceptible people and should not be
> used in there is a family history of diabetes.
>
> > I have read some things on that. I asked the Dr and
> > the D Educator and they
> > both said no. One more thing i have noticed, and maybe its my
> > imagination, but when I get like
> > this and my feet and hands start cramping up, i seem to produce so
> > much salavia, is that
> > something to do with diabetics? Dr just looks at me like im crazy.
> > Maybe I am or maybe
> > this goes back to my vitamin D being so low and my parathyroid tests
> > that come in low and
> > then normal? Anyone know?
>
> I had the excess saliva thing some years before my diagnosis. I don't know
> if there is a connection or not. I also have a lot of other medical
> problems.
>
> I don't know about the vitamin D or parathyroid stuff. Sorry.

Hi Julie,
I tried 7 different Blood Pressure meds, and I had a bad reaction to
all of them
ace, and expecially channel blockers. I have arrythmia, and now that
i have
Diabetes, it has got worse, I am scared to go off of them. I tried
weening
myself off once and i feel so gawd awful I gave up. What brand did
you
switch to?

Trish

Julie Bove · Joined: 26 Jul 2007 Posts: 494

wrote in message @57g2000hsv.googlegroups.com...

> BC 127

I presume you mean BG. Blood glucose?

> I am sitting this one out. I quit cleaning until i feel better. I
> will take 1 g tab if it does not quit soon.
> Please do not give up on me, I have read so much this week, I am
> having a hard time remembering
> everything. I will get this right, and I refuse to go on medication
> if I can get this under control.
> I am on Beta blockers, does that medication cause my body to react a
> different way than if
> i was not on it?

Beta Blockers are not the best thing for a diabetic to use. When I was
first diagnosed, I was on one and it made my BG very erratic. You should
ask your Dr. to switch you to an Ace Inhibitor instead. Betal Blockers are
also thought to bring on diabetes in susceptible people and should not be
used in there is a family history of diabetes.

> I have read some things on that. I asked the Dr and
> the D Educator and they
> both said no. One more thing i have noticed, and maybe its my
> imagination, but when I get like
> this and my feet and hands start cramping up, i seem to produce so
> much salavia, is that
> something to do with diabetics? Dr just looks at me like im crazy.
> Maybe I am or maybe
> this goes back to my vitamin D being so low and my parathyroid tests
> that come in low and
> then normal? Anyone know?

I had the excess saliva thing some years before my diagnosis. I don't know
if there is a connection or not. I also have a lot of other medical
problems.

I don't know about the vitamin D or parathyroid stuff. Sorry.

Julie Bove · Joined: 26 Jul 2007 Posts: 494

"Alan S" wrote in message @4ax.com...

> I'm not sure why you'd be shaky at that number - that all
> looks pretty good to me and I doubt you've been high between
> breakfast and that reading.
>
The Beta Blocker may well have something to do with it. I was so sick for
the first two weeks following my diagnosis, my parents had to come take care
of Angela for me. She had just turned one. I kept passing out, even when
my BG was in normal range. I was told it was a reaction to the Beta Blocker
because diabetics shouldn't use them.

krom · Joined: 26 Jul 2007 Posts: 55

was the coffee black?

If it was then thats a fine breakfast...it takes the body a while to adjust
to the new levels.

KROM

wrote in message @d55g2000hsg.googlegroups.com...
> On Jul 20, 8:04 pm, Janet Wilder wrote:
>> tris...@msn.com wrote:
>>
>> > coping this word for word, if i eat three times per day.
>>
>> > Breakfast:
>>
>> > 3-4 carb choices 45-60 carbs per meal
>> > 0-2 oz of protien (2 eggs or atkins protien shake)
>> > 0-1 fat
>>
>> > Snack:
>> > Yogurt 30 carbs
>> > walnuts 4 halves
>>
>> > Lunch:
>> > 3-4 carb choices
>> > vegtable (like asparagus unlimited)
>> > 2-3 oz of chicken
>> > 1-2 fat choices
>>
>> > Snack:
>> > 2 carb choices
>> > cottage cheese 1/2 cup
>>
>> > Dinner:
>> > 3-4 carb choices
>> > vegtable
>> > 3 oz of meat
>> > baked potato
>> > 1-2 oz of butter
>>
>> > snack:
>> > 1-2 carb choices
>>
>> > any comments? please tell me what you think.
>>
>> > Thanks
>> > Trish
>>
>> FWIW I'm not a Diabetic, just a care-giver to a long-term DM, but I
>> wouldn't eat your diet! I'd be obese!
>>
>> I would suggest that you start with 2 carb choices at each meal and
>> check your blood sugar 2 hours after you eat. That will give you a good
>> idea of how the amount of carbs are effecting you.
>>
>> Try to find healthier snacks. One snack might be a carb choice of fruit,
>> but not more than one choice. The evening snack should contain some
>> peanut butter. It seems to work to prevent liver-dumping for some people.
>>
>> FIND ANOTHER DIETICIAN!
>>
>> --
>> Janet Wilder
>> Bad spelling. Bad punctuation
>> Good Friends. Good Life- Hide quoted text -
>>
>> - Show quoted text -
>
> Good Morning Everyone,
> BC was 117 fasting this morning.
> I had boiled egg and 2 slices of bacon , coffee for Breakfast
> 1 hr later my BC is 125.
> I feel really weak and shaky. I am trying not to reach for any
> carbs. Is this correct?
>
> Trish
>

Alan S · Joined: 26 Jul 2007 Posts: 134

On Sat, 21 Jul 2007 07:33:23 -0700, trish_5@msn.com wrote:

>Good Morning Alan,
>I appreciate all your advice, I have read alot of your website, and I
>thank you.
>
>I have a Accu-Check Advantage. I got it 2 months ago. I change the
>chip when i start
>new strips. I would hope it reads correctly. How would I know?
>
>Trish

If you've changed the chip as instructed - it should be
fine. I also use Accu-chek (a "Go") and have never had a
problem when the right chip is inserted. You can test with
control solutions - but I've never found it worth the effort
because thay'e always tested OK.

I agree with Susan not to make changes too rapidly - but I
also would not go too slow. Keep us informed.

When I was at a similar stage I carried jelly beans with me
to treat lows. However, I didn't get the low symptoms at the
higher numbers. Usually I was in the 4's (70s) or 3's (55+).
The other newsgroup suggested is alt.support.diabetes; there
is also misc.health.diabetes (a bit quieter and more
technical) and alt.support.diabetes.uk for UK diabetics and
others who talk in millimoles.

I agree with trying to achieve as much as you can with diet
and exercise before adding pills or insulin - but don't make
that your goal. The goal is good diabetes control; if that
eventually means that pills or insulin are needed then so be
it. But I do agree on providing the meds with the best diet
and exercise regimen you can so that they can be used at the
minimum needed level.

Finally, if part of your problem is reactive hypoglycemia
(and I'm not totally convinced it is at the moment) then
"grazing" can be useful. That is a technique of spreading
your meals into lots of smaller meals and snacks across the
day. Same calories, but eat less food more often. That way
you never hit your system with a big carb load at one time.

For example, in a typical day my meals are:

7am: breakfast
10am: snack
noon: light lunch
2 pm: snack
4pm: snack
6pm: dinner
8pm: snack
10pm: cereal

The only big meal, comparatively, is dinner. Total calories
is the same as if I had just the three "square" meals daily.

Cheers, Alan, T2, Australia.
d&e, metformin 1500mg, ezetrol 10mg
Everything in Moderation - Except Laughter.
--
http://loraltraveloz.blogspot.com/
latest: Mossman Gorge in the Daintree Rainforest
http://loraldiabetes.blogspot.com/
latest: Self-Testing and Type 2 Management

Julie Bove · Joined: 26 Jul 2007 Posts: 494

wrote in message @m3g2000hsh.googlegroups.com...

> Hi Julie,
> I tried 7 different Blood Pressure meds, and I had a bad reaction to
> all of them
> ace, and expecially channel blockers. I have arrythmia, and now that
> i have
> Diabetes, it has got worse, I am scared to go off of them. I tried
> weening
> myself off once and i feel so gawd awful I gave up. What brand did
> you
> switch to?

I currently take Lisinopril and have no problems with it. Tried Tenormin
prior and it left me half dead. I couldn't do a thing while I was taking
it.

Alan S · Joined: 26 Jul 2007 Posts: 134

On Sun, 22 Jul 2007 04:52:50 GMT, "Julie Bove"
wrote:

>
>"Alan S" wrote in message
>@4ax.com...
>
>> I'm not sure why you'd be shaky at that number - that all
>> looks pretty good to me and I doubt you've been high between
>> breakfast and that reading.
>>
>The Beta Blocker may well have something to do with it. I was so sick for
>the first two weeks following my diagnosis, my parents had to come take care
>of Angela for me. She had just turned one. I kept passing out, even when
>my BG was in normal range. I was told it was a reaction to the Beta Blocker
>because diabetics shouldn't use them.
>
>
>
You may be right but I've never taken them.

Cheers, Alan, T2, Australia.
d&e, metformin 1500mg, ezetrol 10mg
Everything in Moderation - Except Laughter.
--
http://loraltraveloz.blogspot.com/
latest: Mossman Gorge in the Daintree Rainforest
http://loraldiabetes.blogspot.com/
latest: Self-Testing and Type 2 Management

RPS · Joined: 31 Jul 2007 Posts: 4

Hi Trish,

I am a new diabetic and no expert on that subject but I have tons of
experience with carbs issue, thanks to my SO's long pre-occupation with
it, and much of the concern is common.

Basically you may be eating too many carbs--- and wrong kind of carbs.
All carbs eventually break into sugars. Those that do this slowly are
"good carbs", those that are fast to convert to sugars are "bad carbs".

The scientific jargon for this is Glycemic Index or Glycemic Load; the
lower these numbers for your foods the better.

A quick popular summary is provided in South Beach Diet paperback.

However, I would recommend you read one of the books on "New Glucose
Revolution" by Dr. Jennie Brand-Miller. Thanks to modern marketing,
there are many such books. They are all based on the same science. Pick
the most recent one that talks to diabetics.

69243077/ref=sr_1_4/104-1320325-1067947?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1186468485&s
r=1-4>

/ref=sr_1_1/104-1320325-1067947?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1186469323&sr=1-1>

You should definitely get tested for "diabetic eye" once a year.
Good luck.

wrote:

: I was just diagnosed with hypo/diabetic this past week.
: I have not seen a specialist yet. So I am looking for answers.
: Hopefully someone in here can tell me what to do.
: I have done alot of reading on the web, and tried to follow
: the diets that they suggest, but i keep crashing 4-5 times a day.
: I have never gone above 180, but if i get down to 110 or lower
: I feel shaky, like my legs are going to buckle, my eye sight
: is real blurry. I do not have extreme thirst.
: For breakfast this morning , I had a bagel with peanut butter,
: banana, and cinnamon. 1/2 glass of 1% milk.
: Within a 1/2 hr I was crashing why?
:
: Thanks for any help.
:
: Trish
: