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Bad Drugs for Heart Failure and Diabetes

 
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Jennifer



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PostPosted: Thu Jul 10, 2003 4:06 pm    Post subject: Re: Bad Drugs for Heart Failure and Diabetes Reply with quote

peanutjake wrote:
> If you have both Diabetes and Heart Failure you should not take any of these drugs.
>
> metformin, glucophage, biguanide, avandia, actos, rezulin, rosiglitazone, prioglitazone,
> troglitazone, thiazolidinedione, glitazone,


I read the article, and that's not exactly what it said.

It said: "Metformin is contraindicated for diabetics treated with heart
failure medications".

So, you CAN take Metformin if you're not taking other heart failure
medications (which they did not list).

Jennifer


>
> Read the Reuters article.
> PJ
> -----------------------------------------------------
> Diabetes Drugs Inappropriately Prescribed for Patients With Concomitant Heart Failure
>
> NEW YORK (Reuters Health) Jul 01 - Despite explicit warnings on package inserts, metformin and
> thiazolidinediones are often given to diabetics hospitalized with heart failure, according to a
> report published in the July 2nd issue of the Journal of the American Medical Association.
>
> Moreover, the findings indicate that inappropriate use of these drugs is rapidly increasing.
>
> Metformin is contraindicated for diabetics treated with heart failure medications because of the
> increased risk of potentially fatal lactic acidosis. Thiazolidinediones are not recommended for
> diabetics with advanced heart failure, out of concern that such agents could increase the
> intravascular volume and worsen the cardiac condition, the authors note.
>
> To investigate the inappropriate use of these drugs, Dr. Harlan M. Krumholz, from Yale University in
> New Haven, Connecticut, and colleagues analyzed data from Medicaid beneficiaries with diabetes who
> were hospitalized with heart failure between April 1998 and March 1999 or between July 2000 and June
> 2001.
>
> In the 1998-1999 cohort, 7.1% of patients received a metformin prescription, 7.2% received a
> thiazolidinedione prescription, and 13.5% received a prescription for either drug, the investigators
> note. In the 2000-2001 group, the corresponding rates were all significantly higher -- 11.2%, 16.1%,
> and 24.4% (p < 0.001 for all).
>
> "National guidelines do not focus extensively on the treatment of diabetes in heart failure
> patients," the authors emphasize. "Future guidelines should provide more explicit guidance in
> defining the safe treatment" of these patients.
>
> JAMA 2003;290:81-85.
>
>
>
>

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Jennifer



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PostPosted: Thu Jul 10, 2003 9:12 pm    Post subject: Re: Bad Drugs for Heart Failure and Diabetes Reply with quote

How is that playing with words?

It's a DIRECT quote from the article.

It said that "Metformin is contraindicated for diabetics treated with
heart failure medications."

If you don't take heart failure medications, it's not contraindicated.

Jennifer


peanutjake wrote:
> "Jennifer" wrote in message @earthlink.net...
>
>>peanutjake wrote:
>>
>>>If you have both Diabetes and Heart Failure you should not take any of these drugs.
>>>
>>>metformin, glucophage, biguanide, avandia, actos, rezulin, rosiglitazone, prioglitazone,
>>>troglitazone, thiazolidinedione, glitazone,
>>
>>
>>I read the article, and that's not exactly what it said.
>>
>>It said: "Metformin is contraindicated for diabetics treated with heart
>>failure medications".
>
>
> I think that you are playing with words.
> For correct information read the PDR or the insert for the warnings on Metformin.
> PJ
>
>
>
>
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peanutjake



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PostPosted: Thu Jul 10, 2003 9:20 pm    Post subject: Bad Drugs for Heart Failure and Diabetes Reply with quote

If you have both Diabetes and Heart Failure you should not take any of these drugs.

metformin, glucophage, biguanide, avandia, actos, rezulin, rosiglitazone, prioglitazone,
troglitazone, thiazolidinedione, glitazone,

Read the Reuters article.
PJ
-----------------------------------------------------
Diabetes Drugs Inappropriately Prescribed for Patients With Concomitant Heart Failure

NEW YORK (Reuters Health) Jul 01 - Despite explicit warnings on package inserts, metformin and
thiazolidinediones are often given to diabetics hospitalized with heart failure, according to a
report published in the July 2nd issue of the Journal of the American Medical Association.

Moreover, the findings indicate that inappropriate use of these drugs is rapidly increasing.

Metformin is contraindicated for diabetics treated with heart failure medications because of the
increased risk of potentially fatal lactic acidosis. Thiazolidinediones are not recommended for
diabetics with advanced heart failure, out of concern that such agents could increase the
intravascular volume and worsen the cardiac condition, the authors note.

To investigate the inappropriate use of these drugs, Dr. Harlan M. Krumholz, from Yale University in
New Haven, Connecticut, and colleagues analyzed data from Medicaid beneficiaries with diabetes who
were hospitalized with heart failure between April 1998 and March 1999 or between July 2000 and June
2001.

In the 1998-1999 cohort, 7.1% of patients received a metformin prescription, 7.2% received a
thiazolidinedione prescription, and 13.5% received a prescription for either drug, the investigators
note. In the 2000-2001 group, the corresponding rates were all significantly higher -- 11.2%, 16.1%,
and 24.4% (p < 0.001 for all).

"National guidelines do not focus extensively on the treatment of diabetes in heart failure
patients," the authors emphasize. "Future guidelines should provide more explicit guidance in
defining the safe treatment" of these patients.

JAMA 2003;290:81-85.
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peanutjake



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PostPosted: Fri Jul 11, 2003 12:38 am    Post subject: Re: Bad Drugs for Heart Failure and Diabetes Reply with quote

"Jennifer" wrote in message @earthlink.net...
> peanutjake wrote:
> > If you have both Diabetes and Heart Failure you should not take any of these drugs.
> >
> > metformin, glucophage, biguanide, avandia, actos, rezulin, rosiglitazone, prioglitazone,
> > troglitazone, thiazolidinedione, glitazone,
>
>
> I read the article, and that's not exactly what it said.
>
> It said: "Metformin is contraindicated for diabetics treated with heart
> failure medications".

I think that you are playing with words.
For correct information read the PDR or the insert for the warnings on Metformin.
PJ
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peanutjake



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PostPosted: Fri Jul 11, 2003 8:55 am    Post subject: Re: Bad Drugs for Heart Failure and Diabetes Reply with quote

"Jennifer" wrote in message @earthlink.net...
> How is that playing with words?
>
> It's a DIRECT quote from the article.
>
> It said that "Metformin is contraindicated for diabetics treated with
> heart failure medications."
>
> If you don't take heart failure medications, it's not contraindicated.
>
> Jennifer

Jennifer, my friend.

It seems to me that anyone who is suffering from Heart Failure and has not been given medication for
it should sue their doctor for malpractice.

PJ
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Ben Skversky



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PostPosted: Mon Jul 14, 2003 1:27 am    Post subject: Re: Bad Drugs for Heart Failure and Diabetes Reply with quote

I read the article too, Jennifer. You are correct.


"Jennifer" wrote in message@earthlink.net...
> How is that playing with words?
>
> It's a DIRECT quote from the article.
>
> It said that "Metformin is contraindicated for diabetics treated with
> heart failure medications."
>
> If you don't take heart failure medications, it's not contraindicated.
>
> Jennifer
>
>
> peanutjake wrote:
> > "Jennifer" wrote in message@earthlink.net...
> >
> >>peanutjake wrote:
> >>
> >>>If you have both Diabetes and Heart Failure you should not take any of
these drugs.
> >>>
> >>>metformin, glucophage, biguanide, avandia, actos, rezulin,
rosiglitazone, prioglitazone,
> >>>troglitazone, thiazolidinedione, glitazone,
> >>
> >>
> >>I read the article, and that's not exactly what it said.
> >>
> >>It said: "Metformin is contraindicated for diabetics treated with heart
> >>failure medications".
> >
> >
> > I think that you are playing with words.
> > For correct information read the PDR or the insert for the warnings on
Metformin.
> > PJ
> >
> >
> >
> >
>

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